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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I had been driving EV up to 2024 I know what I'm talking about.

    Either way the charge times are still crap so each to their own I suppose, more power to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,437 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    What's crap to you?

    My east coast to west coast and northern Ireland return same day trips need about a 20 mins stop usually



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Sure if their daily driving is that low they don't need to waste so much money on a new EV and people understand this. Also the fact they might not want to drive EV or care less about all the bs regarding charging, waiting etc.

    I would have thought that with the hundreds of thousands on the motorways daily in traffic the daily average would be a lot higher.

    Why would I want to go back to EV now as a matter of interest, what would be the value for me ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    What's crap to me is anything that causes me to have to wait more than it takes to fill up a tank for much better range. Crap to me is having to plan my trips or go out of my way to find charging. Just not interested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Eleusis


    Makes me sad that the world is burning and the only reason people change to environmentally better things is if it makes sense financially. I understand why, its just sad the environment doesn't even get an honorable mention as a reason to go EV.



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  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    My reason for going Ev was for cleaner air, I live near one of the busiest roads in the country and our village is disgusting. Destroyed from diesel fumes and the noise from trucks and buses is overwhelming. The respiratory problems from traffic and burning stuff is well known now, with children affected the most, that's why we changed our house to an all electric one over the last couple of years.

    This podcast is well worth listening to. Her daughter is the first person in the world to have pollution related respiratory failure listed as the cause of death.

    I'm acutely aware that I'm one of the lucky ones who has the ability and finances to do this, I feel that those who can, should. The minor inconvenience of running Ev's is negated by the health benefits for everyone, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    People changing their family car in Ireland for an EV thinking they're going to change the planet are deluded. I'm on holidays in Croatia and I saw one Tesla, that was it, everything else is petrol or diesel. No sign of any home charge points anywhere. Where I'm staying there are 3 AC public charge points listed one which is locked in a Porsche dealership the other two I couldn't actually find…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭amdaley28


    That's life I'm afraid.

    For the majority of people you have to incentivise them if you want them to change. It must make financial sense to them.

    I'd love to have an entirely electric household complete with roof panels etc but unfortunately I can't afford to do so.

    It's not that people don't want to change, it's just most can't afford to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,743 ✭✭✭✭josip


    For many people it's not financially feasible to make the change to EV, especially in the less well off Balkans. For those who can afford to and want to do so for environmental reasons, I don't understand why they get criticism from others, including within the EV community.

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  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    The planet will be fine, whether we change to Ev's or not, but local air quality can be changed by not burning stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    In an ideal world perhaps but where I live people are burning damp wood and smoky coal despite legislation etc.



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    There won't be a choice soon enough with regard to transport if one wants a new car, that will make a noticeable difference in towns and villages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    What's never going to happen? The ban, or improved air quality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭traco


    As someone that cycles along the quays through the city center cleaning up the bus tailpipes would be a simpler and more significant step forward in terms of clean air in an urban environment and probably easier to progress rather than pressue the private motorist.

    I would also contend that negative media portrayal of EV's is a major problem and will have a neagtive knock on in affordable secondhand EV's coming to the market. As it is at the moment I think we are in a window of time where mid €20k's can get you a well proven recent model good range EV.

    I've stopped reading the media drivel at this stage as its the same click bait stuff. The tech is well established and if the range and charging are workable for you and you can afford one then they make sense. If not stick with an ICE untill then and don't worry about it. Too many people are getting to wound up over the subject for some odd reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,229 ✭✭✭creedp


    A voice of reason which is a rare thing indeed theses days. Some [ever increasing numbers] people just love to hammer home how they are so right and anybody who doesn't agree with their view is some category of terrorist, to be shot down for the greater good. Must be hard to sleep at night in that continual state of horror at what the less enlightened are at in their ignorance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,190 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The air quality in Dublin is vastly better than it was in the 80s and 90s. I can remember days where the smog was so thick the bus conductor had to find the kerb with a torch and guide the driver. Couldn't see more than 10-20ft.

    Even now the itsa lot rarer to find some old yolk spewing clouds of smoke behind them. These days it's mostly only dpf deleted vehicles that do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,190 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I guess we shouldn't make any effort to improve things so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    We can if we want but as I've said already on the grand scale or even the small scale of things what we do here in Ireland is very small. I love driving my EV but saving the planet wasn't my primary concern when I bought it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,828 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    so why do you think it cant be further improved upon?

    Ban of ICE is coming for sure, wont be 2030 but it wont be much later imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,190 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Govt/EU policy means we can buy a new diesel today with no disincentives from the govt. As a result we are not forced into choosing an EV due to emissions.

    Wasn't my primary concern either, but it's nice to have.

    Was waiting at the local football club the other night and the fumes from all the idling ICE cars and diesels with no dpf was unbelievable. The air reeked with fumes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Hold on a sec, when was the last time you used public charging?

    You've been driving an EV with 350km of range for 3 years so I'm going to guess it wasn't recent 😁

    I agree with how bad things were 5 years ago, experienced a few charging disasters with the Leaf myself. It's different today, things are better and continuing to improve

    I honestly don't remember ever queuing with the ID.4 in the 3 years I've had it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I disagree, there's a significant benefit to local air quality when driving EVs

    One of the biggest problems with diesel is the particulates they spew out which cause breathing difficulties for a lot of people

    This is a real problem, it's estimated that 400,000 extra deaths occur every year due to related illnesses (for comparison that's higher than the combined estimated death tolls in both the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts to date). Personally I've noticed times when a diesel bus or truck drives past and my asthma starts to act up

    So I absolutely agree with the view that moving to an EV is better for the environment, and it benefits us here significantly

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Disagree all you like but the amount of diesel buses and trucks on your daily commute far outweigh the amount of EVs and always will. Everybody knows the statistics etc, the only significant thing that could possibly change the amount of family diesel cars on the road is the abolition of the stupid chape (co2) tax. The old cc based tax system was actually better for emissions especially particulates, which we now know are very harmful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭zg3409


    In relation to finding hubs some planning is needed if you don't regularly go that route. I use plugshare app on my phone before the trip, hit the navigate button and it switches to Google maps. I then plug in the phone into car and use android auto. This allows all networks and real user feedback if it's working or broken. I believe plugshare app has a paid android auto integrated option so no need to touch phone but I have never used it.

    As said for typical long trips I know where they are but I just check user reviews to see if anyone reported them broken.

    In terms of ICE better with a long range relatively cheap EV motoring is low cost. Add in workplace free charging, that's a saving is 6 euros a day versus home charger vs 15 diesel but actual cost is zero as work pays. That's a massive saving on a near 2 hours daily driving.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Most of the city buses in Derry and Belfast are now electric,

    Walking past the main city centre drop off in Belfast beside city hall has changed dramatically

    Before you could have half a dozen or more idling, now it's quiet and doesn't stink or deafen you when they take off.

    It all seemed to happen without any fanfare too.



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    That's great, I noticed one in Dublin a few months back and the lack of fumes and noise was nice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    There's already plans to replace buses with electric versions and electric trucks are gaining popularity

    What will solve the issue very quickly would be a sales ban, or a 99% VRT tax rate on new diesel vehicles

    And before anyone starts banging the social justice drum, I didn't say the current diesels on the road should be scrapped immediately, they can keep going as long as their owners want to keep them

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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