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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Everyone, nobody, is this some sort of hive mind you are speaking of ?

    It seems Everyone who isnt a staunch Trump hater is accused of being a Trump supporter.

    Everyone who doesnt think Harris is the best thing since sliced bread is accused of being a Trump supporter ?

    Everyone who believes that Biden was forcibly removed from running again is accused of being a Trump supporter ?

    Everyone who questioned Bidens mental and physical acumen in recent years is accused of being a Trump supporter ?

    Everyone who said in June, Biden would be replaced was a conspiracy theorist Trump supporter ?

    Nobody objective would buy that, where is the middle ground ?

    Im not sure who would be a better President, Trump or Harris, there are pros and cons for both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,705 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    @MrAnarchy

    Im not sure who would be a better President, Trump or Harris, there are pros and cons for both.

    Come on then, give us the Trump pros.

    Post edited by looksee on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Fair enough, I don't agree with Trump on alot of things, however if someone on here wished the ultimate bad thing on Kamala I would call that out as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Last year he made one of the top generals in the US a target by extremists. He said he deserved the death penalty because he was part of a deep state conspiracy...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/trump-milley-execution-incitement-violence/675435/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    So you've no problem with what was posted about Trump, if you don't well that's on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    After a half hours chin wagging with my cousin in Germany v Skype the problem as far as Germany radio is concerned is not with Trump himself but with the millions that intend to vote for him. That lot are just another side of the daesh/IS coin. Give them half a chance and they would live their lives as they see fit, the rules of law be dammed.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    Thank you. It's good to see another poster with some moral standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    For the record, I oppose any targeting of Trump in an assassination attempt. I actually think it would be a pretty awful event that would be to detriment of the US. Trump dying of natural causes which isn't unlikely given his age and diet, I'm not gonna be shedding tears. Not wishing it on him for the record and don't particularly like posters doing so. But there's a distinct double standard in terms of the Trump remarks that you guys view as hilarious.

    Would you agree what Trump said in relation to General Milley was far worse than what the poster said?

    So you must think Trump lacks moral standards then? Eg that remark about Milley is incredibly unacceptable, same for his Pence remark. Then there's using insults about intellectual disabilities etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Put it this way. In my opinion the world would undoubtedly be a better place without DJT in it.

    If nature did takes it's course soon, I can see the upside. That ok?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Good stuff we agree that what the poster said was unacceptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    But why the ignoring of Trump saying much worse? He called for a general to be executed and claimed he was part of a deep state conspiracy, he was basically behaving like Alex Jones. You've repeatedly indicated that you want him to be president in spite of constant unacceptable behavior.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    I'm not interested in whataboutery, I particularly made reference to the post about wishing Trump dead. That as you have said is unacceptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Yeah “They’re eating the DOGS” not hysterical at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    So you don't want to broach the fact that Trump publicly wished somebody dead cause he doesn't view him as loyal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭trashcan


    …..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, people who go to extreme lengths to only criticise Harris for petty bullshit reasons while ignoring anything and every Trump does do so because they support Trump.

    If this isn't the case why do you do it?

    Everyone who espouses or defends the extreme conspiracy theories prompted by Trump are supporting him. Like when you repeated the Deep state nonsense or tried to justify his racist conspiracy lies about Haitian immigrants.

    Of you don't support Trump, why do you do this?

    If you don't support Trump, why do you refuse to respond to criticisms about him or questions about your position?

    It's a very clear tactic you folks use. You pretend to be undecided or neutral so you never actually have to defend your preferred option.

    Why do you do that?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So again it's acceptable if Trump and his allies do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Remember all the lies and bullshit about Hillary Clinton's health back in 2016?

    They should use physical health and mental faculties and beat Trump over the head with it non-stop from now till election day.

    It's richer than Elon Musk when Republicans are suddenly having a problem with rightfully pointing out that their candidate is a gibbering, drooling wreck.

    Since it's the truth, it's only kind to do the right thing. You should be grateful.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    No faux outrage. I dont actually give a fuff. I dont think I contributed ever to this thread before this post. So please spare me your rant ok?

    It's just something I happened to notice and I felt I might comment on. Of course within a deeply entrenched debate thats nearly impossible, I get that. But a little less of the hysteria would be nice all the same.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sorry, but someone disagreeing with you doesn't equate to a rant.

    And no, you didn't "just happen to notice". You're ignoring a bunch of context to pretend that this is an issue for Harris.

    Do you agree that Trump not releasing his medical records like in previous US elections shows a lack of transparency?

    Do you agree that is it hypocritical for him to do that when he made such a show of questioning Biden's health?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is not whataboutery. It is about establishing what are these standards for what is and is not acceptable.

    Either you care about such things or you do not. If you cared about that standard, you would condemn Trump's comments, which are unquestionably unacceptable and far worse by any standard compared to the one you were so concerned about.

    But given you can't bring yourself to condemn Trump's comments which are far worse, where he goes along with a jeering mob about hanging VP Pence, or joking about attacks on the Pelosi family, it is obvious you don't and are purely engaged in partisan rhetoric and the standard is therefore meaningless to you.

    When Trump's race baiting racist drivel about immigrants leads to bomb threats, do we see Trump comes out and condemn them? Do we see him disown his racist lies? Nope.
    Do we see you express any concern about Trump in relation to these standards? Nope.

    It is a thread to discuss Trump v Harris, yet you won't apply any standards to Trump. Ergo, you don't really care about those standards.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭valoren


    Harris, clearly fit to serve office, releases her medical records anyway.

    Trump has to release his. Quelle surprise he is deemed super duper Rambo fit for office.

    The polls are accurate and Harris wins.

    Trump goes to get sentenced in the weeks after polling day.

    His lawyers argue he can't go to prison since he is an increasingly senile and very old man.

    Judge points to his medical record from weeks before and takes that into account.

    Rambo Trump serves a custodial sentence.

    Well played Dems. 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Your posts on this thread have been relentless attacks on Harris and Democrats and defences of Trump.

    Objectively, those are actions supporting Trump.

    It should be easy for you to discredit that claim, by referring us to posts where you have criticised Trump or defended Harris or listed the pros for Harris winning, cons for Trump etc
    There are no such posts from you though are there?

    That is why people reasonably concluded you are a Trump supporter, not for the strawman nonsense you have listed there.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Grand so, you have no problem calling out the post that wished Donald's demise I presume.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Why do you have a problem calling out the violent rhetoric from Trump to his political opponents and towards groups of ordinary people, rhetoric which has the potential to actually lead to violence?
    The poster didn't urge any violence on Trump.
    So objectively Trump's comments are far worse, and yet you seem utterly unable to engage any moral standard in relation to Trump.

    I have no problem calling out obvious Trump supporters who don't hold him to standards they claim to hold.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    I made particular reference to a post which unbelievably some people thanked. If you can't condemn it that's fine. We know where we stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes we know where we stand with posters who claim to be concerned about such a post and yet give Trump a free pass on his speeches inciting violence, speeches that actually can and do lead to violence.

    We know that such expressions of concern have no credibility.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's so strange. All these Trump supporters need to do is say that they believe Trumps comments were wrong. But they can't even do that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    It kinda does feel like a rant when I'm being accused of 'outrage'. I dont care enough to be outraged. I am not involved in this discussion at all. And I dont care for either party/candidate. To me it's a foreign election.

    I know it's not just any foreign election and it will have ramifications for the whole world, but then again is it? US will still be pissy with Russia, China etc, will still support Israel will still throw its weight around generally being c****. And for the rest of it, the internal stuff, I dont care tbh. Whether someone in the US gets a little cheaper health insurance or what way abortion is or whatever else they quarrel about means nothing to me, I dont care.

    I just happened to notice that a party which pointedly ignored the fact they supported a candidate who could barely walk and had trouble keeping his wits together only a couple of months ago now makes health records 'a thing'. Surely you must be able to see that obvious contradiction yourself, no?



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