Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

NYT won't air this interview in full until tomorrow but they got kind of a hot piece they just had to share: JD Vance squirming for 3 whole minutes when asked 5 different times about whether or not Trump lost the 2020 election.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/players/offsite/index.html?videoId=100000009755918

“In the debate, you were asked to clarify if you believe Trump lost the 2020 election. Do you believe he lost the 2020 election?” she asked.

“I think that Donald Trump and I have both raised a number of issues with the 2020 election, but we’re focused on the future,” said Vance. “I think there’s an obsession here with focusing on 2020. I’m much more worried about what happened after 2020, which is a wide-open border, groceries that are unaffordable. And look—”

“Senator, yes or no?” Garcia-Navarro interjected. “Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?”

Instead of answering, Vance replied with his own question. “Let me ask you a question. Is it OK that big technology companies censored the Hunter Biden laptop story, which independent analysis have said cost Donald Trump millions of votes?”

Garcia-Navarro tried for a third time. “Senator Vance, I’m going to ask you again, did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?”

He again replied with a question. “Did big technology companies censor a story that independent studies have suggested would have cost Trump millions of votes? I think that’s the question.”

Garcia-Navarro went for a fourth attempt. “Senator Vance, I’m going to ask you again. Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?”

“And I’ve answered your question with another question,” he replied. “You answer my question and I’ll answer yours.”

“I have asked this question repeatedly,” Garcia-Navarro persisted. “It is something that is very important for the American people to know. There is no proof, legal or otherwise, that Donald Trump did not lose the 2020 election.”

Ultimately he indicates he never would have certified the 2020 election, confirming what has already been suspected: if they win, they'll never certify another election that Republicans don't win. And, they almost certainly won't ever run another ticket of Republicans again unless they similarly, would never certify a win from someone other than Republicans again, either. Going back to what I was just referencing about Machiavellianism…

Also, thinking more on this, Trump has also said on multiple occasions that he will be a dictator, that he will prosecute his political opponents and that he will create camps and implement mass deportations.

His fans will down play this, but saying this now normalises the words and actions. If he does win and decides to follow through, there will be a muted response because this has been talked about for so long and it won't seem so outrageous.

If we know anything about Trump, his memory is fine when it comes to a grudge.

If you haven't figured out how dangerous he is at this stage...

Wow.Its really low by Obama to come out and shame " his brothers" like that. Playing the "brothers must stick together" card and is as nasty as it gets. Its pure desperation stuff and really insulting

Obama ,you condescending moron.Just because a candidate is black, doesn't mean a black person has to vote for them!

Exactly. He is openly telling everyone what he will do and how under threat their democracy is yet it seems 50% of the country don't care.

And attending Diddy's parties?

Sorry is the thread borked again did I miss your post raging about Trump saying Jews 'have to get their heads examined' if they don't vote for him or is your rage about identity politics as selective as I am seeing it.

Its similar to Bidens comments in the last election campaign where he said

"If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black"

The election where he won 87% of the Black vote.

It stands to logic Kamala Harris will easily gain 87% or more of the vote, that is, if your arguments are to believe that a) they are turned off by racist gaffes and 2) are not refusing to vote for a woman.

It was Nazi esque racist vomit from Trump... Hitler too talked of particular races poisoning the blood of the nation.

The Trump campaign shares fabricated memes of these illiegal immigrants "taking over neighborhoods" - no white faces.

So it is clear there is a racial element to this, when Trump talks of illegal immigrants he is talking about people of colour.

Trump and his campaign are objectively racist.

I wouldn’t be believing everything he says - otherwise you’re no better than his voters

@Dingaan - I've asked you 5 times, and you respond when I direct the question to someone else.

Anyway, please see my quoted post. He doesn't differentiate between illegal and legal.

Any chance you could answer the question - do you agree with him that immigrants are poisoning the blood of the nation?

My eyes rolled back so far I nearly blacked out

I don't believe this is a serious post.

Lot of talk that Harris momentum had weakened. Especially in swing states and mid west.

The big interviews she has done recently have been really poor, uncomfortable watching.

How the f someone can be Veep for so long and unable to answer basic questions off the cuff is unfathomable.

Harris has a dilemma, she has to be visible to stay in the public focus, speak so as to set out her own vision as different to the hard years of Biden for most Americans yet her interview skills are shi7.

What will or can they do to reinvigorate the campaign and will the softening of support continue?

what you believe is entirely your own business but I’ve absolutely no interest in getting riled up by what Trump may or may not do - he’s an idiot who is leading other idiots and if you’re scared of him and spend hours upon hours criticising him and fearing him then he’s won.