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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,589 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Two decent games yesterday, didn't expect Knockmore to win tbh so was delighted with the result. I thought Breaffy were the better team in the first half, Reilly in the corner got 3 lovely points and Ruane got a couple late in the half when he moved into FF, but Knockmore came into it in the second half and were the better team for most of it although Breaffy had a couple of goal chances that Reape did well to block.


    I thought Aidan was right to take on the free at the end of normal time, it was just outside the 45 and he had a breeze behind him - he scored a more difficult one against Westport. The keeper had missed an easier one earlier in the match.


    Didn't see what happened for Ruttledge getting sent off but he had been down getting treatment before that for an off the ball incident so he may have gotten some retribution in.

    Similar to normal time, Breaffy were better in the 1st half of ET (Conor O'Se who had been anonymous up until then started having a big impact at FF) and we looked to be in bother but the 2nd sending off swung it back in our favour - it was a fairly wild challenge but a harsh enough sending off IMO, would have been yellow if it was still 15 v 15 I'd say. Breaffy were then in a decent position around 40m from our goal and two players went for the same handpass, collided and we had the ball in the net within 30s. That knocked the stuffing out of Breaffy and we got a 2nd goal shortly afterwards. Have no idea why Aidan took the last free, he had gotten a fist to a free a minute earlier that Reape did well to save and he should have been in the square again instead of out on the sideline with time almost up.


    They say goals win games and when Knockmore had chances, we took them whereas Reape saved Breaffy's couple of chances.


    Liam Durcan was MOTM for me, he was constantly showing out in front for the ball which made it much easier for us to work the ball out of defence; I think Breaffy should have done more to nullify him. Probably too small for county but maybe worth a look all the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,589 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Only caught the 2nd half of the Ballina v Ballagh game (1st half was fairly poor apparently) but I thought it was decent enough.

    Callinan, Tighe and Irwin were very good for Ballina while Drake, Kuba & the # 14 were very good for Ballagh. The first two goals were fairly soft, Ballagh keeper should have dealt with a ball dropping short for the first one and Clarke got caught in possession for the 2nd one. Ballagh had chances to go further ahead when they were on top but didn't take them and once it went to ET, Ballina were on top for most of it. That said, another Clarke mistake gave Akram a great goal chance right at the end that Ballina managed to clear off the line, dunno how it didn't go in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Aido was right to take the free at the end of normal time,he had been red hot on frees all season and with the wind was just within his range.

    The later one was a mistake,hard to give him grief over it though.Hes the reason Breaffy have been in 5 finals in 10 years.

    He's arguably been in the form of his liferecently ,hopefully carries through to next season with the county team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I disagree. It wasn't within his range outside the 45. He has little or no record of scoring from there even with the wind. A very low percentage shot.

    Calling the last one a mistake is overly generous. A very experienced player with over 16 years senior county experience and being the biggest man on the field he should be fully aware that he was needed inside. Any other player could have kicked it in to him.

    Yes he had a very good season with Breaffy up to Sunday and I was hoping Breaffy would finally get over the line this year when they looked to be the best team around. But after seeing how they blew yet another great chance it's hard to feel too sorry for them. A very frustrating team.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Was it only 5 minutes before that last free that he was inside and got a fist to it, even with 2 men hanging off him. Reape saved it comfortably enough, but I was sure that's where he was heading for with the last free!! Hard to understand the logic!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I agree on the extra time one.

    However the free at the end of normal time was always going to be a low percentage shot.There was no time to work it in so the options were bring up the goalie who had just missed a 45 and is not that experienced or let the free taker have a go.As I said low percentage either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Wasn't there something similar last year for Mayo against Cork. Mayo were few points down and looking for a goal in the last minute. Won a free. And instead of O'Shea being in around the goal, he took the free to lob it in to smaller players. Turned out, they should have actually gone for a point as it would have affected their placing in the group. Hard to understand the logic in that. 1. If there were going for a goal, the obvious thing is you put the bigger players inside beside the goal or. if going for a point, you'd have the freetaker take it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    We will never know how the goalie would have done but I don't believe the percentages were the same

    Opt 1 - Aidan taking it from his hands

    1 - Score - unlikely as he hasn't the range outside the 45

    2 - Wide - unlikely as he hasn't the range outside the 45

    3 - Drop short - this was the most likely outcome and is what happened and Reape collected the ball uncontested just inside the small parallelogram.

    Opt 2 - Goalkeeper taking it from the ground

    1 - Score - more likely than Opt 1 as he had the range outside the 45

    2 - Wide - more likely than Opt 1 as he had the range outside the 45

    3 - Drop short - in this case Aidan would be in there and it would be more likely to lead to something happening than Aidan dropping it in himself.

    Small percentages decide these games. You have to make the right decisions when the ball has gone dead and there is time to decide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I seem to remember something like that happening flasher0030

    I already mentioned the county final against Ballintubber in 2018 where he took a very low percentage late free off the ground near the sideline. Unfortunately these poor decisions are repeating themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Breaffy have had lots of players on the county scene over the years ranging from senior to players who made minor, yet they always failed to win the big one. I don't know why but unfortunately for them, they couldn't win it in their prime when they had better teams on paper at least. While they played decent this year, I always felt they would never win it just on that point alone.

    They remind me of our county team but football is cruel sometimes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭HBC08


    In that instance we could have tried for a goal and if we had scored it we would have finished second in our group and had a home match.Thats more of a disadvantage for Mayo these days.

    As it was we finished 3rd in the group,played in Salthill and put Galway out of the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Ah I long ago lost count of the amount of times that Aido would be taking a free or being well outside the box for a dead ball when he should be in the box to try and make something happen. He is outstanding at winning ball and I never understood that approach! But he's obviously doing what he's told to do, or has his own reasons for it.

    Not to take away from his performance overall, he's had a great year for Breaffy and they wouldn't have gotten near a semi final without him, or be in that close to winning it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,730 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    The biggest issue the players had from the review was the strength and conditioning training so changes are coming in that area.

    Were we gassed at the end of matches which is why we failed to get over the line in a few?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭naughto




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,363 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Connacht draw for 2025.

    QF

    Galway v NY

    Roscommon v London

    Mayo v Sligo

    SF

    Galway/NY v Roscommon/London

    Leitrim v Mayo/Sligo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,363 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Were we gassed at the end of matches which is why we failed to get over the line in a few?

    Well they did fail to close games out last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Be-Jaysus


    We had that juice though.

    I remember vividly Jim Gavin stating at being gobsmacked by Mayo's S&C levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Be-Jaysus


    Not buying that, maybe a cop-out by some players who wont take responsibility for the squads shambolic game management last year .

    We have had a long history of not seeing out games over the years & its a problem that has never been addressed, while our S&C standards has been elite over the past 10/15 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Be-Jaysus


    Handy draw in Connacht.

    We should be able to comfortably finish in the Top half of the league table , while trying out new players & systems as the competition reaches its climax., or will Kevin go gun-ho using the same players at every opportunity out of sheer fear & pressure, given this could well be his final year.. ?.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,589 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Was at the ladies final earlier, not a great match but an exciting finish. Westport probably deserved it overall, they played a double sweeper and we didn't manage to figure out a way around that, constantly got stripped of the ball around their 45. That said, if we'd taken a couple of the scores we put wide, we could have sneaked it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Surely he has to realise that the same players will give the same result again and end in disapointment. I'm not saying everyone needs to be dropped, but theres changes needed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    I suggest that it may be more a change in how Mayo play, rather than a clear out of players. We don't seem to have any tactical awareness or a bit of cleverness in our play. We seem to struggle more than most teams when up against the very defensive teams, and don't show any ideas in breaking it down. Maybe the new rules will be to our favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I don't believe any tactical innovation will make a difference until we move on from the great team of the 2010s. The 2021 AI final was really the final hurrah for the remaining soldiers of that group. But facing into 2025 it really is time to move on. Whatever about retirements, I don't believe that any player from that era should still be starting games anymore apart maybe from Paddy Durcan if he can get back to where he was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Ok Maybe. But I don't think it will work if we drop

    Aidan O'Shea

    Mattie Ruane

    Padraig O'Hora

    Stephen Coen

    Diarmuid O'Connor

    Jordan Flynn

    Who will replace them? Conor McStay? Paul Towey? Bob Tuohy?, Frank Irwin?,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    To clarify I was referring to the players who had played throughout the 2010s not those that came in at the end of 2010s or beginning of 2020s. So I wasn't referring to Jordan, Coen, Padraig O'Hora or Mattie. I believe it is counter productive starting Aidan or Cillian in games at this stage if Mayo football wants to move forward. Diarmuid is injured more often that not these day and unless he has a free run of injury the best he can expect is a substitute role as well.

    Regarding the names you mentioned yes I would give more starting game time to Paul Towey, Bob Tuohy and Frank Irwin. There are others worth looking at as well - Ronan Clarke, James Mahedy, Pierce Deane just off the top of my head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭spakman


    Pierce Deane wasn't even on the Breaffy team earlier in the year, and now you have him starting for Mayo, while sending Diarmuid O'Connor to the knackers yard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    Anyone any idea what mayo players are involved with connacht in this weekends game's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Misquoting me is not the way to make a point. I said in the middle of the league that Diarmuids injuries seem to be piling up and i doubted how much we would see of him during the connacht championship given all the training he missed. I got a few similar replies to what you just said but it turned out I was right.

    I'd have a fit Diarmuid on the mayo team every day. But I said he may have to be on the bench next year if the long periods injured continue. Would you prefer to play him with a torn hamstring?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭BandMember


    There's no way that our S&C is at the same levels as our peak years, no way. You can see that from the general pace of the games and the way they play. Now, you can argue that our players aren't at the same level either, but what county is? Even the Dubs aren't at the levels they were at while if you look at the teams who were involved in the business end of the Championship, are any of them that much better than us? I don't think they are, they are just getting more out of their squads and using them better than we are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Oh ok. Cillian was sub last year, and Diarmuid missed most of the year. So that just leaves the big man. I guess your post was really - that management should leave Aidan out of the team. I don't know. Tough call. Looking at the club games in the past few months, he stood out.

    I agree that game time should be given to Towie, Big bob and whoever else is showing well. I was making the point, that we can't just have a clearout of the seasoned players. If Mayo want to have a good year, players such as Hession, Carney, Flynn, Tuohy, Conroy, Callinan will need to up to a higher level. We will have the likes of O'Donoghue, Coyne, Reape, Coen, McLaughlin, Ruane, Durcan, McBrien, D O'Connor, O'Shea. That's 16 players outlined there, and has the look of a good team on paper anyway. But my earlier point was that I don't think the management have been getting the best out of the players in the past 2 years.

    Shure time will tell.



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