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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Is asking for something you know is not possible really "asking"?

    They have deliberately set up beside the UN posts.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Of course. The "asking" ruse was merely to give them an excuse later if they took out a few of them for the craic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Zionists not happy with the peacekeepers staying to document their atrocities.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Probably some on this thread away to like that tweet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,993 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    What about some evidence?

    It's already been established the israelis have made many lurid claims about mass rapes, babies heads been sawed off, babies being cooked in ovens, babies being sliced out of the wombs of pregnant women, etc.

    Absolutely none of it has been shown to be true. israel has instead refused to co-operate with any investigation. It is 100% projection by the israelis to dehumanise the Palestinians so their genocide can be carried out. Clearly it works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    You're failure to go back and read the post makes me think you're lazy.

    Abjectly lazy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Whataboutery is about two unconnected things. When one is the direct CAUSE of the other, it's not whataboutery, it's cause and consequence.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    What do you think Oct 7th was about? Did it have a clear and reasonable military aim and did they achieve that aim?

    Because if they didn't, it was a war crime, even if the people who died were all treated nicely before they died - and Israel is entitled under international law to try to prevent another such war crime using military force, even if that leads to the death of Palestinian civilians as a direct result of Hamas' strategy of using Palestinian civilians as human shields.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,192 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I don't know how to make this more clear but I have absolutely no interest in reading and\or responding to your pathetic takes on this or any other topic on this site to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Gosh don't let me stop you from not responding to me. Do feel free to ignore everything I say.

    The usual way to do that is to just put the poster on ignore, rather than posting repeatedly to them to inform them of it (since you seem to feel the need to make it "more clear" than before, presumably). But you really don't have to do that. ☺️

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hamas are accused of war crimes. Israel has entitlements under International Law to respond. But they are not entitled to go ahead and commit their own war crimes.

    Three Hamas members are under review by the ICC for war crimes:

    • Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
    • Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
    • Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
    • Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
    • Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
    • Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
    • Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
    • Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant are also under review by the ICC for war crimes:

    • Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute;
    • Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
    • Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
    • Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i);
    • Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity;
    • Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h);
    • Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).

    Israel is under review by the ICJ for the crime of genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    I've read a number of posts and saw nothing. Your failure to supply the basis you're posting on is dishonest and underlines why claims of anti-semitism should be called out and examined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I've never said that Israel are entitled to commit war crimes, and indeed I've said the oppôsite several times.

    I really don't know why you would imagine otherwise. I'm not going to keep repeating it, I can't see the point.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    The post in question is freely availabe for you to go and find. Simple read back the through the thread.

    But I'll make it simple for you.

    Do you believe that the well established trope that "Jews rule the world" is antisemitic or not?

    It's a simple yes or no answer, which, i realise, you will avoid answering at all costs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I didn't say you did say that… And yes, you have said the opposite on many occasions.

    I was simply responding to this part of your post:

    Israel is entitled under international law to try to prevent another such war crime using military force, even if that leads to the death of Palestinian civilians as a direct result of Hamas' strategy of using Palestinian civilians as human shields.

    The bit where you say "…using military force, even if that leads to the death of Palestinian civilians…" is dealt with in International Law. So provisionally, yes, Israel can do what you stated - but within the bounds of law. I was simply pointing out that they have done what you said they are entitled to do ("use military force") and in doing so, Israel has possibly committed war crimes. As has Hamas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    i don't know why you're quoting this to me.

    I'm well aware that there have been numerious violations of 1701 in the 20 odd years since the end of the war. I never said there weren't.

    I was merely pointing out that another poster was being dishonest in claiming that Hezbollah won the war.

    It was an UN agreed settlement between the governments of Israel and Lebanon, and Israel did indeed withdraw even if there have been violations afterwards over the years.

    Why a poster wants to 'Big-Up' a terrorist organisation's achievements is beyond me.

    I'm going to go out on a limb though and surmise that Israel's violations are of more import to you that the failure of the Iranian terrorist group Hezbollah to disarm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭Odhinn



    It's anti-semetic.

    Now if you'd be as good as to provide a quote/post number where Sand said this………………..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Resolution 1701 said there should be neither the IDF nor Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. But Hezbollah wasn't disarmed. If Hezbollah had been disarmed then the IDF wouldn't be carrying out airstrikes against targets in Beirut or invading Lebanon. So what's the point of UNIFIL? Why won't the Irish government withdraw Irish soldiers from Lebanon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    More deflection.

    i've asked you on a few occasions now if the well known "Jews rule the world" trope is antisemitic or not.

    You have refused to answer because you damn well know that it is.

    Once you admit that it is, you're goosed, because your friend was the one posting it.

    I may well be intellectually deficient, but, you on the other hand, are intellectually dishonest, and there's no excuse for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Good.

    So we're in agreement that whoever posted such could be rightly termed antisemitic, which he is.

    i told you I don't know the post number. Boards is awful for searches. You'll have to do some legwork to find it. 3 or 4 days ago. It's the only post of his I relied to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I quoted you because you posted this statement (my emphasis):

    The last Israel/Lebanese war was in 2006. It only lasted 34 days with less than 200 Israeli causalities. Israel and the Lebanese Government signed UN resolution 1701 to end hostilities.  

    Israel adhering to a UN resolution to end the war is not Israel being beaten out of Lebanon by sad-sack Hezbollah, no matter how deep a cherished romantic desire this is for you.

    Hezbollah failing to adhere to UN resolution 1701 to disarm has of course been a disaster for the region, and the people of Lebanon, whom you will sometimes pretend to give a crap about when it suits.

    So you posted that Israel was adhering a UN resolution and that Hezbollah failed to adhere to UN 1701. Certainly, Hezbollah failed to adhere, but so did Israel. Which contradicts what you posted.

    I was just pointing it out.

    And no, I'll call out any actor who violates the law. I even added in the Wikipedia links which details alleged violations of 1701 by Hezbollah, Israel and Lebanon. Although, its fair to say that it seems Israel violates UNGS and UNSC resolutions at a fair old clip. But Israel's violations are of no more import to me than Hezbollah's violations or Lebanon's violations.

    And I agree with you - bigging up anything going on in this conflict or leading up to it is unhelpful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    He's not on his own. Israelis in the US are among the wealthiest - I wonder if they're funding the fight?

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-04/ty-article/.premium/record-breaking-42-israelis-feature-on-forbes-world-



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Fair enough. i was really only referring to the ending of hostilities. Didn't make that clear.



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