Israel are going to start WWIII

I wonder …

Was she an Israeli soldier on-duty/off-duty? a reservist? She doesn't seem to be wearing festival clothes, given how warm that part of the world is in early October, where the average night-time temperature is like a nice summer's day anywhere in Ireland at the height of the summer.

Disgusting post

Do you actually believe that all the aid workers deaths were accidental? Reliable sources do not.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68711282

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/05/14/gaza-israelis-attacking-known-aid-worker-locations

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-hamas-war-gaza/

Ambulances have been attacked and destroyed, along with the people inside them.

That is the sort of evidence that our resident hasbara don't accept, because they didn't write a message on the internet to say that they did it deliberately. Rather than accept what the world sees, they say that there was "intelligence" to the effect that Hamas/Hezbollah/whoever was in the ambulance.

It's all lies from beginning to end of course. Lies, mayhem and murder, Israel/zionism are fine with all of that.

The IDF have stated that many of those in the surveillance base were unarmed. Regardless of that, there are rules about the treatment of captives (armed or otherwise) - no-one should be treated in that manner. Ever.

There is a good (but harrowing) BBC article on the surveillance base:

The poster being replied to doesn't do debate, just tons of drivel about how everyone is against poor little Israel who are just defending themselves from whoever they don't like today. Not Israeli of course, but posts as though they were a fully paid up member of the IGF.

IF that post is directed at me, I have not excused rape, abuse of prisoners, or for that matter, and unlike many here I do not support genocide.

I am merely highlighting the Israeli propaganda machine by trying to get to the truth behind the pictures posted, and the narrative they are used to push forward.

Please explain why - after looking at my reply to thatsdaft above in this post.

That's interesting, as the general thrust of the debate around her always seems to portray her as an innocent festival goer rather than as a member of the military, or one of their ancilliary workers.

Why were they taking them before the war?? None of them charged with any crime.

There has not been an election in Gaza in over 18 years so I do not see how you can continue to conflate the citizens and Hamas terrorists.

None of the over 11 thousand children slaughtered in the past year elected anyone and its so disengenious to even bring up this ridiclous point.

Both sides take hostages. We know israel treats is hostages horrifically. We've seen on camera israeli soldier raping Palestinian hostages. Human Rights Watch & Amnesty International has said israel is torturing hostages - humiliation, beatings, forced stress positions, prolonged cuffing, blindfolding and lack of medical care. The hostages arent Hamas fighters - they are ordinary Palestinians grabbed by israelis, including health care workers. The UN Human Rights Commissioner has called the use of torture and sexual violence by israel against hostages is grossly illegal and revolting.

Is the Hamas treatment of its hostages unpleasant? Sure. It's probably unpleasant to be held against your will be people who utterly hate you. Humans are social creatures - its likely difficult to be the hated one. But as I noted already, the worst account of mistreatment by a released hostage is that they were expected to cook, clean or wash dishes. Nothing, absolutely nothing on the scale of the deliberate and systematic torture and rape carried out by the israeli forces.

israel is a functioning, wealthy regime with immense resources and security. It could, if it chose, treat its hostages well. It has the resources to do that with no risk to itself. It chooses to torture and rape them.

Hamas is resistance movement under immense pressure with extremely limited resources - israel has cut food to Gaza, but the hostages were fed. israel has cut water to Gaza, yet the hostages were watered. israel has cut medical supplies to Gaza, yet the hostages received medical treatment and those who couldn't be cared for were prioritised for release in negotiations.

There is no equivalence, or they are bad as each other when it comes to how they treat their hostages. israel is demonstrably worse. But its the side the US and Europe is arming and funding.

The death of the israeli hostages in the rescue attempt is a risk the israeli leadership accepted when it chose to prioritise violence as a solution, rather than negotiating for the release of those hostages. We only have the israeli account of how those hostages died in any case - its just as possible the hostages were killed by israel forces, like those two other hostages i mentioned.

As regards Naama Levy, apart from the ghoulish projection of israelis, there is no evidence she was raped. She had been captured from a fight, and she was wounded in the legs. Hence the blood. Her mother confirmed in March 2024 she had met some released hostages who had encountered Levy in Hamas captivity, and they confirmed the leg wounds. They mentioned nothing about any rape.

The Palestinians held by the israelis - they were definitely raped.

Question for folks - are the worlds media openly allowed into Gaza or what's left of it?

If you’re aware of what antisemitism is, then you should have recognised it when @Sands posted his big stinking pile of rabid anti-Semitic horse manure.

You should have recognised it, and been offended by it.

You, however, weren’t offended, you denied it, and then chose to defend it, and that’s a reflection on your outlook on life. You’re not the unbiased commentator you present yourself to be.

Like I said previously, if someone chooses to regurgitate well established racist or anti-Semitic tropes then they're racist or anti-Semitic. It’s cut and dried.

There’s no defence for him or you.

I never said I was clever, just that you’re not the intellect you think you are.

Of course you got what you wanted.

You got a headline which you can misconstrew as something other than what it actually is, which is how people who like to lie and mislead tend to operate.

Seeing from your other posts that you're a card-carrying supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, I'll leave you to persue your 72 virgins via posting s*ite online, rather than the traditional 'Blowing Jews to bits methodology' so popular amongst your other, obviously, not-antisemitic-at-all brethern.