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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Catholic or Protestant atheists? As they say around here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Iran's domestic social policies are totally, completely irrelevant to the israeli attacks on Iran, and totally completely irrelevant to israeli violence in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iran and even occupied Palestine itself.

    israel could not care less about womens rights in Iran, in the same way the US could not care less about womens rights in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are considered useful and friendly. The Iranians are considered dangerous and hostile. So propaganda is pumped about how bad womens rights are in Iran, and its silenced about Saudis (though that will change as the Saudis increasingly distance themselves from the US/israel). Not because israel cares, but because they think its a good way to manipulate you into supporting their violence against civilians in Gaza. And it works. Because you're here thinking womens rights in Iran is somehow relevant to the discussion of israeli aggression causing a terrible war.

    Dreaming that the israeli aggression against Iran is motivated by, or will in any way solve, womens rights in Iran is deluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    How could someone change their mind with their head cut off? Take a wee break lad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    So should we say a mass or light a candle before the Iranians come to cut our heads off in Ireland? Hope we get to see Christmas this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,185 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Wow, that's some cutting response. How could there be a problem in the first place, when your best answer is that if the poster's head does get cut off by an islamist, they won't have a mind to change.

    I'm sure that Japanese guy who was murdered in Dundalk thought the same.

    That's all of us reassured, right there. 😕

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    If you’re expecting the Iranians to come to Ireland any time soon and engage in mass beheading perhaps you should go see your GP and see if you can get a referral . Hang in there hun xxx



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Well I suppose it is a change from ' antisemitic ' anyway. All the What If's from you and your ilk and not a word as usul about what is actually happening ……. like Genocide, War crimes and wanton murder of Press, Medics etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,185 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭.Donegal.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, let's say for argument sake the Americans turned against the Saudis tomorrow, we wouldn't be long hearing about how terrible life is for Saudi women and people in general . Also whether we like or not alot of these regimes do have significant support, but the propaganda is that the people are just waiting for western freedom so they can embrace our western way of life. With this in mind who have the Iraqis mostly voted into power since Saddam was taken out. Is it progressive secularists or Shia religious parties with links to Iran? It maybe different in Iran, but at the same time I wouldn't be confident that if the Ayatollah was removed that whatever followed would be much better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So what time are you going up to Crown Paints then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I imagine a lot of the actual rescue crews they had have been long targeted and murdered by the regime anyway.

    By the Hamas regime, possibly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭meepins


    I keep seeing these crocodile teary eyed posts about antisemitism because the posters have zero arguments about anything being said. It's really quite pathetic and contemptible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ah so you're excusing their murders by the IDF then. The veil has really slipped now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Yes, its actually quite noticeable how its part of the standard toolkit of propaganda in the modern world. "We are in conflict with X. The leadership of X is evil (they must be, the are our enemies) and represses the people of X. The people of X really love us (who doesnt?) and if we just kill all the leadership of X, then the people of X will embrace us and do whatever we want.

    X rotates, but the messaging is constant. I think its intended to have several benefits: it dehumanises the enemy, it edifies the conflict as being just and necessary, and also it makes it seem easier than it is. Defeating an entire nation state is very hard, takes a lot of effort. But a decapitation strike on just a few guys? Easy.

    Its quite old too. It was basically summarised (fictionally) by that US Marine officer in Full Metal Jacket who was insisting that inside every Vietnamese, there was an American trying to get out and the US aim was to help them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭meepins


    Yeah so do I. It's why I have so much respect for them.

    When they cut off your head or your family's 

    That's the Israeli proxy army ISIS and Israels great ally Saudi Arabia that does that kind of thing. Thankfully Iran and Russia took serious steps to crush ISIS in Syria. Unfortunately CIA and Mossad will always spin them up again eventually to do more terror in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,447 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    No. Not sure where you picked that up.

    Pre WW2 Germany and the Soviet Union (not Russia) had the 'Nichtangriffspakt', no-attack-agreement. To be broken by Germany in '41 who had occupied Poland already.

    Poland had been between a rock and a hard place through the centuries. Between Russia, Prussia, France, Hungary-Austria, the Baltics who had been big and powerful themselves in the 16, 17, 1800s. Sometimes they were the rock themselves. All mad then anyway and they were all married to each other and it was really Game of Thrones ****. Only a few dozen families really mattered.

    Germany and Poland did not enjoy a harmonic relationship between WW1 and WW2. The German resentment wrt to Versailles, specifically Germany's new eastern border was always there and they engaged in on and off economical warfare. Duties, sanctions.

    As with regards to Poland and the Soviet Union things were even worse. Post revolution and WW1 Lenin tried to expand the communist movement westwards but the Soviets failed to take Warsaw. In return Poland failed to take Ukraine or Belarus. It came to a standstill at some point but was more or less open hostility all throughout pre WW2.

    Of course then in '39 Germany rolled Poland and invaded the Soviets two years later despite the Nichtangriffspakt. 'On the way back' then Soviets fought Germany all the way through Poland up to the German River Elbe which then became the new inner German border post WW2. Post WW2 Poland got restored in once again new borders taking mostly German/Prussian territories, albeit as a Warsaw Pact vassal state.

    What does deserve a mention in all this IMO is that after the fall of the iron curtain and the crumbling of the Warsaw Pact and later the Soviet Union the then Russian occupiers withdrew entirely and peacefully both from Germany and also Poland and other former Warsaw Pact states. While for example Germany is still 'enjoying' US troops within its borders to this day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Trump is a danger to World peace. He doesn't like the Chinese either but seems very friendly with Putin. What a mess he'd create. Netanyahu would love him though as he'd be free to genocide even more …… until he took a step just too far.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,769 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Hardly compare that to NATO alliance now can we.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,447 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    You left out the bit where the Soviets:

    Massacred surviving polish army officers

    Stopped the soviet advance through Poland to ensure the Polish uprising was crushed by the Nazis first.

    Raped their way to Berlin.

    Created puppet States afterward with secret police forces to ensure loyalty and obedience.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,447 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Ye sorry I didnt write a book.

    I was merely telling someone there were no Polish pacts with either Germany or the Soviets - with a few cornerstones.

    Feel free to add as many atrocities as you like. But dont forget what Germany did to Polish and especially Soviet populations was without precedent. The most horrific and cruel stuff on an industrial scale. Scorched earth sh1t. 27 million casualties. Not excusing anything or anyone but where do you go from there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,185 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Some of us have been saying for years how terrible life is for Saudi women.

    I've been called an islamophobe on this site for pointing out that life for women in any Islamic state is generally awful because they have second class status thanks to islam. Indeed I was told on the original Oct 7th thread that my objections to Hamas were in fact based on my alleged islamophobia, IOW my support for women's rights. That, apparently is enough to be deemed an islamophobe these days.

    It's also interesting that you hadn't previously noticed the situation of women in Saudi - or rather, that knowing it, you apparently don't care.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    wouldnt be suprised if israel stuck iran on Monday 7th October anniversary of Iranian backed Hamas attack on Israel

    This will probably be a significant strike back too given the anniversary date



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Could be a while yet, they are busy murdering civilians in Lebanon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    It’s difficult  to believe that anyone could post this type of claptrap on a public forum and manage to convince themselves that they’re not anti-Semitic.

    It’s nothing more than a hodgepodge of numerous anti-Semitic tropes ranging from the Jews ruling the political world to the inevitable Jewish conquest of all humanity complete with shiny Nazi jackboots. 

    It’s the type of anti-Jewish bigotry that would fit well on a redneck hillbilly aryan supremacy website, where, I suspect, you would blend in quite well.

    Even worse is that some posters seem to consider this bilge to be complex political theory worthy of deep contemplation.

    Apparently TD’s in Sligo/Leitrim can’t get elected to the Dail without first debasing themselves before the ‘Zionist Lobby’.

    I can only surmise that this news must have come as a huge surprise to the bould ‘Ming’.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Bigger than taking out Nasrallah. Soleimani replacement.



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