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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,365 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yeah if I was Musk and I'd want to check in on the candidate I was paying for to make sure nothing was going to happen my quid pro quo.

    Once upon a time Trump didn't need Nazi dog whistlers like Musk along to create energy and buzz… but I suppose Trump getting desperate now with all those low attendances and walk outs from his rallies.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Elon is a tainted brand, the mask slipped and everyone now knows he's a bit of a dick with money, mentally unstable and dangerous.

    There are only the incels and some tech fanboys left to worship him. He will have zero resonance with MAGA hardcore what with his union busting antics.

    Not going to do Trump a favour him attending one of his sad little circuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Maybe they can do more of their "Isn't it so great when you cut loads of jobs and then if your employees try to strike or unionise you just fire and replace them all" routine.

    Laurel and Sharty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,410 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Yip, that's exactly what the Trump campaign needs. More Díckheads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Remember when Trump didn't need to be bought by billionaires?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yeah - Nothing says "Man of the people" like two billionaires on the stage pretending that they care about the plebs in front of them.

    Wonder will Trump ask Musk why he's making such a balls up of managing the ground operations for the election.

    Musks "America PAC" is supposed to be managing all the door-knocking and "get out the vote" efforts for Trump , but there's little evidence that they are actually doing much of that at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Especially the last 5 seconds, where the Judge denied the stay. Good man, that Judge. There'll be appeals (where these types get their legal fees is always puzzling… long arm of Convicted Felon Trump and the bible/shoe/NFT grift I suppose.)

    But still, message sent. Bring on Judge Merchan in November!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,012 ✭✭✭✭briany


    People like Peters don't care about the judge's words. Obviously, she would prefer not to have the inconvenience of prison time and would probably express some mealy-mouthed words of remorse if she thought it would get her off anything, but not truly sorry in any way, as the judge points out.

    Since it's a state-level prosecution, her sentence probably still stands even in the event of a Trump presidency. I say "probably" because of how far Trump could go with shoring up power within the presidency and what kind of reach that would give him.

    But all of those like Peters who are sitting in jail under federal convictions for Jan 6th would very likely be given swift pardons from Trump and the symbolism of that will be quite unlike anything we've seen in modern American political history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Oof. Just watched her sentencing there. Straight to jail, do not pass go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    its not my job or interest to inform you of what "deep state" is , the question ittself implies that you think the news always informs you and that there is nothing of interest to look any deeper, Im just enjoying looking on.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,587 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This suggests that you don't know what the words you used mean.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But who do you think this fools though?

    It's obvious you're not answering the question because either you can't, or know that if you're honest about what you believe, it would look really bad.

    Telling people to "google it" isn't helping you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,012 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Musk wants the acceptance of the general public but he's too odd and unlikeable for that ever to happen. See the time he appeared on stage with Dave Chappelle and Musk was booed for several minutes. He can have no end of hangers-on and sycophants because of his money and profile, of course, but it's not the same as having an innate quality that draws people to you.

    So, because he's been rejected as a figure of popular culture by the centre and leftwards, the thought of having ready-made adulation from the MAGAs must seem that much more appealing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,548 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Since there's no proof of an actual deepstate, the burden of proof is on you to prove it's an actual thing.. Most of us naturally associate with QANON, Clinton conspiracy theories and whatever nonsense is being spread on a given week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    didnt Snopes do a debunk thats a left learning source. the question is why do democrat leaning sources have such a poor command of English? there seems to be an inability to understand language the way normal people use it "he said he would be a dictator" etc. nonsense built on nonsense but its fun to watch

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,587 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Can you substantiate any of this? You keep making these silly, clearly unfounded claims and when someone tries to engage, you crap out a few more.

    Precision with words matters.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    ….but he said drink bleach , funny you asking for precision when a lot of the complaints against Trump depends on quoting him out of context or clipped edits etc. , what are the recent ones , he said he will be a dictator , you wont need to vote anymore. Quite mad interpretations but its fun watching it pass as media and political analysis

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭BQQ


    But all of those like Peters who are sitting in jail under federal convictions for Jan 6th would very likely be given swift pardons from Trump 

    She was prosecuted for state crimes, so Trump can’t pardon her

    He could, of course, lean on the Governor to pardon her, but if he doesn’t play ball, there’s nothing Trump can do about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭Rawr


    So Donnie can’t hold a crowd anymore and has to resort to pulling in the Patron-Saint of Incel Crypto-bros, Elon «Vaporware» Musk.

    Bring in a guy with as fragile an ego as Donnie, who had to buy the social media platform that he was terminally addicted to to hold people’s attention and then proceed to torpedo its value while turning the site into an annex of 4-chan. The guy who struck it lucky with buying into an EV producer that became an early popular brand, but then failed to follow that up with any innovation since the Model 3, beyond a stainless steel polygon that fails with its marketed features and is barely even street-legal in its own market, not to mention anywhere else.

    Just like Donnie, this clown coasts on the impression of him being good at business and also has no scruples about aiding dictatorships, as shown by his actions against Ukraine via Starlink.

    Musk is a repulsive little imp who will only appeal to people who were going to vote Trump either way.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,587 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He did say to drink bleach. Chemical companies even issued statements asking people not to do it. I can provide a source if you like, once you've backed up your claims.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,548 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Their fact check explicitly states no fine people were on one side. So the two options are Trump was incredibly ignorant of who were present or was doing a dogwhistle at people who view themselves as ethnoseparatists or whatever.

    Editors' Note: Some readers have raised the objection that this fact check appears to assume Trump was correct in stating that there were "very fine people on both sides" of the Charlottesville incident. That is not the case. This fact check aimed to confirm what Trump actually said, not whether what he said was true or false. For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    the idea that Trump praised white nationalists insane, think about it. There were people that were against pulling down statues etc for noble reasons and these would be fine people (imagine an Irish equivalent situation). The fact that unreasonable interpretations are perpetuated speaks to the fact that American Dems have a fundamental problem or are being brainwashed by their media. Its like watching an ant farm at a distance but its interesting to watch

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,829 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    That'll be interesting to see, for whom will be No 1 and who will be No 2 on the stage. Will the paymaster get equal or even even billing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Does it not occur to Biden that supporting an Israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear programme might help Harris?

    Waging a war against an antisemitic regime worked for the Democrats in 1944. So it would work for the Democrats in 2024, wouldn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,548 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Hey, you're the guy who cited snopes. They and pretty much any credible news outlet is pretty consistent that the rally arranged by two neo Nazis did not contain fine people… Would you attend a rally arranged by such people? That is filled with Neo Nazi groups...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There were people that were against pulling down statues etc for noble reasons

    Perhaps those people should have had some second thoughts when everyone around them started chanting "Jews will not replace us". Perhaps just backed away from that particular demonstration.

    I am deeply curious as to what you think the Irish equivalent situation would be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,316 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    your the 'political analyst' , why don't you tell us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,410 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Does it not occur to Biden that supporting an Israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear programme might help Harris?

    No. Primarily because he is not dangerously stupid like the fella he replaced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    just show us the fine people then.

    I provided the list of orgs earlier in the thread who attended the rally I believe you’re fully aware: the KKK, Neo Nazis and white supremacy groups, Aryans etc.

    I similarly posted images of the rally I believe you already know as well: the running over of dozens of counter protestors including the death of Heather Heyer, and well before that, the waving of hundreds of swastikas, white supremacy flags, KKK insignia, third Reich regalia etc.

    How do you possibly contend “fine people” were able to attend alongside them with a straight face, while they waved tiki torches and screamed as nauseum, “Jews will not replace us, Jews will not replace us, Jews will not replace us” - as the adage goes, if you join 2 Nazis who are rallying together, you have 3 Nazis.

    Rich to pretend like Trump isn’t running for 4 more years of such hatred and division.

    Its like watching an ant farm at a distance but its interesting to watch

    Thank you for illustrating and volunteering how detached you are from all this and how little you actually regard the consequences… it’s not all some game on a 4 inch screen though, and the people they ran over aren’t pixels.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Honestly, this is purple nonsense. You throw around the term “deep state” and then refuse to clarify what it means when you use it. If that’s what you want to do I’ll just dismiss all of your posts as nonsense, because there’s no depth to them.

    Maybe I should have done this already, but I come here for debate and am optimistic others do too.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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