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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭valoren


    I think Harris should definitely go on Fox News, pitch herself to the viewers and let them have at it. She will gain a grand total of zero votes. Likewise, Trump should go on CBS, pitch his spiel to the viewers and get a similar grilling for a grand total of zero votes. (sarcasm).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yes I also hope people vote for Harris, the only legitimate candidate 😉

    At least she can read a script, pretty sure the other guy is actually illiterate and is afraid to admit it

    As for her response, I often say actions speak louder than words and the multiple air defence missiles launched by the US Navy to defend Israel is definitely an action

    I'm curious what response she could have given which would satisfy you? I assume nothing short of promising nuclear annihilation of Iran and triggering WW3 in the process would be considered sufficient?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,348 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Are we all such children that we need "authority"? Personally I just need competency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Harris is a legitimate candidate. So it is obvious you are just making nonsense up now.

    And not just anybody…

    Check the list of military officers, security officials, ambassadors who have publicly endorsed Harris.

    The letter endorsing Harris consists of 741 former high-ranking national security officials, including 233 general and flag officers. Among those 741 officials are 15 four-star generals, 10 former Cabinet secretaries and 10 service secretaries as well as leaders who served in Republican administrations. 

    https://thehill.com/homenews/4892381-national-security-officials-endorse-harris/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    The job she is applying for is president of the United States, arguably the leader of the free world, not Tesco store manager.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Economics101


    You are demolishing a straw man. Who thought Vance was a moron? I'm sure the more common view is that he has views and policy pocitions which are extreme and unacceptable.

    As for your final comment, it is completely inappropriate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,013 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's really an interesting question - should they have to debate? I really don't think they have to. I mean, the Democratic Party did hold a presidential primary as well, and debates were held, but Biden declined to attend. Going beyond established protocol of a few decades re: the current president, the core reasoning between Biden and Trump declining to attend their respective primary debates is probably much the same - they hold, or held, a position of supreme prominence within their respective parties and their leads in the polls were vast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Can you be specific? What was “frightening” about her remarks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,013 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "and didn't sleep his way to the top like many others."

    Hey, stop having a go at Melania.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    right? At damn near every Walz rally he’s mentioned Vance went to Yale, it’s something of a running bit. Because the argument isn’t he’s a moron, it’s that he’s not relatable to the average American.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Not sure how you come to that conclusion, especially since Putin wouldn’t invade Ukraine while Trump was president.

    Anyways, from a distance it is much more beneficial to the wider world if the president of US has open communication and some sort of relationship with the likes of Putin and the others, wars start where there is no communication.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "The letter endorsing Harris consists of 741 former high-ranking national security officials, including 233 general and flag officers. Among those 741 officials are 15 four-star generals, 10 former Cabinet secretaries and 10 service secretaries as well as leaders who served in Republican administrations."

    Part of the deep state, dontcha know? /s

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    what was the Kerch Strait incident then? And why did Trump just give up on Crimea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    literally the cop out answer we’ve seen from ‘centerists’ about the letter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Not sure how you came to any of the 'conclusions' yourself.

    Putin had active forces in Ukraine while Trump was President, and all Trump could think to do about it was with hold aid unless Ukraine went along with a muck raking expedition.
    You may as well argue Putin didn't invade because of World Cups and Olympics, as Trump.

    Trump and his relationship to Putin? Not much use when it is a subservient one. Trump hasn't shown any public sign whatsoever of being able to hold Putin to account or even criticise him for Russian war crimes.

    Wars start where there is no communication? Historically inaccurate comments made all the more so when the US and Russia and Ukraine were all involved in discussions before the invasion. The idea that more communication would have prevented it is is utter nonsense without any foundation. Unless the communication was that Ukraine surrendered and offered itself up as a colony to Russia to be raped and plundered. But you seem ok with that outcome, so maybe that is what you mean.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is always open channels of communication between USA and Russia, just not Trumps level of lapdog arse licking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Putin literally occupying a huge corner of Ukraine under the Trump presidency and his cultists act like it wasn’t happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    Inappropriate comments? Have you actually read some of the vile things posted here about Trump and Vance? Some of it is absolutely horrific.

    Only a few posters here try to keep the conversation respectful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Sure, for one the complete lack of authority, she came across as a school teacher reprimanding a child for not bringing in their homework, the kind that would sneak off to the cupboard and cry if they were challenged. A second thing is that ok it was obviously scripted, but it was delivered so scripted that, and this seems to be a pattern with Harris, it’s like the speaker is completely out of her depth.

    The escalations of conflict across the world during the last 4 years is not a coincidence, it’s the consequence of weak leadership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    pitiful and evidence free deflection from blatantly sexist diatribe. We see what you find acceptable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You endorsed Harris being called "mentally impaired".

    I don't believe you should be all the way up on that high horse...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And what suggests that Trump has authority, he went to the UN and they laughed at him and we all saw how Putin dog walked him in the Kremlin.



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Those straws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Oh let go of your pearls.

    Nothing that has been said here is any different to what Trump himself says about his opponents and their supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I listened to a very good podcast the other day called Talking Feds.

    They had a former republican who now works for the Lincoln Project.

    Four interesting points made

    1. The current republican party are the opposite of what they were. Democrats are now seen as strong internationally, when originally that was the republican's image
    2. They now admire Russia. He suggested this was because Russia is mainly white, has no gay culture to speak of, is predominantly Christian, and the elections are rigged so that they stay in power.
    3. This will be the final election where the majority of young voters are white. In four years, they won't be. Therefore, if they don't win this time, it may be some time before they can claw their way back into power.
    4. His advice to the GOP is - "The future is going to happen anyway - you are better off not trying to stop it"

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Despite trump saying so, there's no record of her being a model until trump started paying for her photo shoots



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Have we accused them of eating dogs or something?

    Promising to handover portions of Ukraine as a result of Russia invading a nation is a pretty terrifying precedent to set. On top of that, it'll result in genocide in those areas. Trump fawning over a guy who commits genocide is like a more extreme version of Chamberlain during WW2. So your logic is basically, it's better to be a friend of Hitler rather than not be.

    Also worth remembering in terms of Trump's authority, he was a global laughing stock with leaders.

    In relation to wars starting due to lack of communication that was not the cause of the Ukraine invasion... So that's absolute nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Yea, maybe it’s just me that asks if a candidate has the minerals, I understand that critical thinking is becoming less and less common but surely it’s not extinct around here, yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Trump's made it clear that he'll effectively side with both Putin and Netanyahu, in the Israel case he seemed to encourage Israel to go all out. Equally in the Israel case he actively inflamed the situation by moving the embassy. But sure pretend that's strong leadership and that he wasn't a disaster of a leader.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I remember during the Trump Clinton election people were saying that it was the last time republicans could win an election because of changing demographics.



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