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Independent Golfer Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,301 ✭✭✭G1032


    Is this scheme going ahead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,301 ✭✭✭G1032


    Any idea when? And where can I find more information on it. Is this it at the link below?

    https://www.golfireland.ie/independent-golfer

    Post edited by G1032 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    It seems open for payment on that link.

    I guess the real interesting thing will be whether they are allowed play opens or not.

    I havent played golf in WHS era.....can you submit scores for non-comp rounds ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,508 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Yes you can submit non-comp rounds as long as you declare your intention beforehand.

    Anyone with a GUI can play opens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭bobster453


    They can play Opens provided the club accepts IG cards.

    Up to them whether they do or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,508 ✭✭✭hold my beer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,301 ✭✭✭G1032


    I hope they do. I'm gonna mail around all the local clubs before I pull the trigger and sign up. I haven't been a member of a club in 11 years. Have played less than 10 rounds in that 11 years. But played twice last summer and twice this and would 100% play much more if I had a handicap and could play opens. Have zero intention of joining a club because I just don't have the time to invest in golf now and for foreseeable future. But if I could play twice a month in clubs local to me for May-Sep and have a card in my hand at open day rates I'd find the time. If clubs don't accept these handicap cards or put a surcharge on the entry fee then I just won't bother and will stick to my couple of rounds a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭shefellover93


    This has come at such a good time for me. Just off the back of a long travel and can't afford a full membership until I go back working, but really want to get a handicap to compete in comps with my buddies, try new courses, and finally have a number to fairly rank myself against others.

    Getting this the day I get back and will get on getting a season pass for my local public course with a view to signing up to their membership waiting list.

    Can understand the concern from clubs, but I reckon it'll do more good than bad, especially for county courses who have plenty paying green fees but this might open their eyes to getting a full membership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    Interestingly that independent golfer link is now down

    I wonder did they go too early with it ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭conor222


    Was wondering that myself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭coillcam


    I didn't see the site linked above and it's password protected now. That means it was a development or UAT version and not ready for the public. Probably a mistake on the web developers' part to leave it open. There's been no announcement date either so it's all pending…. It won't come with any fanfare or big PR day, lots of clubs don't want it all and would be apoplectic if GI executive put on a big PR show. I suspect it will be semi under the radar with word of mouth and social media filling in the gaps when it does go live. In a year, we'll be scratching our heads about why there was so much fuss.

    For starting date they're kind of missed the chance for 2024 as counting golf will finish in a matter of weeks. So it'll be very quiet until March/April as the return of counting golf kicks off the new season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    I'd say you are correct
    I noticed a number of links were not working



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭bobster453


    I reckon it will be allowed to die a quiet death..still be there because R&A and USGA are pushing it but death through lack of interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭blue note


    I certainly can't see much of an uptake here if all you're getting is a handicap.

    A friend of mine signed up to something like this in Australia. But with the handicap he got (something like) an in person lesson and an online one, a couple of rounds and then discounted rounds after that. He paid a couple hundred dollars for it.

    To me, this is a great way of encouraging those playing 10-20 times a year to play get more into the game. You need clubs interested in it though, to welcome those golfers. I'm sure some will, but I get the feeling not too many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭conor222


    Its kinda perfect for myself. Get a handicap so can try out a few opens. Mostly be using it get out and try clubs with an eye towards membership down the line. I'm popping out solo or with a mate or two at the moment but will open up more opportunities to get out and try spots out.

    Similar sentiment from the mates I have who are just getting into the game, good way to see other courses (one or two are not fans of solo play) and having the handicap will makes it easier to balance games between ourselves as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    It will only grow-and-grow. That’s for sure the trend going by other countries. Ireland will be no different.

    I suppose a lot of people saying it will die are kinda wanting it to fail.

    Once Marketing gets going on it it would take off. Nobody outside of a fairly tight group knows/understands it yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭coillcam


    Played with two lads recently. One was a junior and played a little in his 20s. He hasn't been a member for years and plays a handful of times per year. Other fella never joined a club or played as a junior, he plays a similar amount tbf.

    The first lad was asking where to sign up today so he could play opens. He couldn't justify membership with a young family and limited free time. The 2nd lad didn't understand the concept at first. Then he heard he could win a prize from his green fee and have potentially reduced fees elsewhere he wanted to know more.

    Neither has a remote interest in membership now. I guess the independent golfer scheme will keep these sorts of people closer to the game. Clearly it presents a better chance of converting to membership in a few years than without. If they're playing more and contributing to the golf economy (balls, clubs, range, gear etc) it has to be seen as a positive.

    I still think the 3 years stand-down rule is punitive. However, it offers an option for the distance member clubs to step in. They can be a middle ground between independent golf and traditional "full" membership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    There is not one club in the country in favour of it. Golf Ireland have made a rod for their own back with this. They will "introduce" it but if it is heavily marketed there will be uproar from the clubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Here we go

    https://static.clubhouse.golfireland.ie/clubs/1000/uploads/files/independent_golfer/independent%20golfer%20scheme%20october%202024%20update%20v7.pdf



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Haha

    Majority of Clubs will go along with it when they realise the amount of people on it eventually. Might take 5 years (which would be expected) but will happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭bobster453


    Yes but 5 yrs down the road any effects of it will have been absorbed.

    Its the initial year of impact that will determine whether clubs will accept IG or not.

    No point being IG if you a..cant play anywhere..or b..can only play at exhorbitant rates to offset negative impact on clubs.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,020 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Whether or not he'll be able to win a prize with his green fee remains to be seen I think.

    I think clubs will ultimately have to treat iGolf members differently to full Golf Ireland members. Surcharges, prize restrictions and probably no access to big opens like scratch cups.

    I would not be surprised to see handicap shenanigans with this. The lads on this scheme are going to have no handicap secretary or committee overseeing their handicap, I don't think you can have these lads playing for the same prize as people with full club handicaps.

    I think ultimately clubs will look at this similarly to how they handle different membership categories within their club (e.g. 7 day members vs intermediate members) when it comes to playing rights and prize access, and iGolfers will be at the bottom of the list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Ten thousand in England over three years. A be similar uptake in Ireland equates approximately 1100. The fact that it is being launched tomorrow without any fanfare tells its own story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    I would say that’s 1,100 people that probably wouldn’t have gotten membership anywhere anyway. Not everything has to be 50,000 people taking it on board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Lads, ye aren’t grasping the idea of a soft launch. If they went gun-ho and it didn’t work, it’s hard to push on from there. A soft launch and see how that goes they can push it from there then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭bobster453


    Well they went gung ho earlier in the year and got their response from clubs.

    I still reckon they are launching it because the R&A told them they have to but usual Irish solution..go dark and let it die a natural death thro lack of awareness.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Ok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 adoall


    hard to see what problem it solves. The country clubs offered cheap membership and access to a GUI, which helped subsidise them

    removing that threatens their viability. It may bring extra golfers in but I think anyone even vaguely interested (and wanting a cheap option) would either have been or soon to be a distance member somewhere, for an already cheap price



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,020 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I notice that on the iGolf site it lists playing in Opens as a benefit, but then qualifies this with:

    "Please check the Terms of Competition for any Open Competition that you may wish to play in to check whether the Organising Committee have permitted iGolf subscribers to participate"

    I am guessing some clubs indicated to GI that they wouldn't be allowing iGolfers to play.



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