Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

That lad might wake up tomorrow with a horse's head for company.

It isn't going to do a whole to allay the proliferation of 'great replacement' conspiracy theories if people are told that, in order to maintain the local economy, the ethnic makeup of the country is probably going to change quite considerably. Not that it wouldn't be true, but it's going to become an increasing source of political tension in the coming decades and I don't see any happy solution to it since it's a question almost custom designed to stimulate the caveman brain.

The only way I see real MAGA types accepting that particular reality is if all these new immigrants are given some kind of codified second class citizen status and it is made clear that new arrivals shall work to serve the ascendency. A new apartheid state.

Until then, Vance's words are essentially that white people need to get to f_n', if they are to maintain their numbers and place in American society.

Saudi is a great example. Trump could round up as many illegal immigrants as he wants, but it won't change the fact that these very people are the lifeblood of agricultural and construction sectors throughout the US and working for pennies on the dollar under the table.

So, the economic pressure to keep them would be on a head on collision course with the political pressure to get rid of them, almost no matter who wins the White House, and it's going to require some kind of novel solution. Saudi style contracts of work seem like one of the more likely ones.

The only problem would be the matter of return. Would I be correct to say that most of those coming in over the border see the USA as a final destination, not just somewhere to send money back from?

I don't know the breakdown in the US but it seems clear to me that if you work hard in any wealthy country for a good few years there is an incentive to go back to your original country if you can buy a house or business maybe 10(?) times cheaper there (and you still feel you can belong there)

Of course there is the other incentive to stay if you are comfortable and settled in in your new home-and settled in.

It would be interesting to know those kind of stats as I am sure there must be all kinds of situations which lead to different outcomes.

If we are talking about countries with bad human and political rights it would be more normal for people to wish to remain in a country like America once they got there.

That could change if Trump is relected and US could become a country where people may not wish to live even if the economic opportunities are there(personally I wouldn't even take a holiday there now and even less likely if Trump gets back in)

Holding his potential status as an excuse? Don’t see you applying the same standards to Harris, do you?

A good summary of where we are right now from a polls perspective.

I didn’t think non-college educated whites made up 42% of the electorate

“White voters without a college degree are a key component of Trump’s base, and two recent polls — one by the New York Times and one by CNN — showed Harris with a huge deficit of roughly 35 points to Trump among this segment. That is worse than Biden did against Trump in 2020, when he lost this big demographic by 32 points, according to a Pew Research Center analysis. Whites without a college degree make up 42 percent of the electorate — meaning that if Harris were matching Biden’s performance with this group, she would add a full point to her overall national lead.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/09/29/harris-trump-tight-election/

The man had no respect for anyone who isn't benefiting him and his crazy mentality.

Look at what happened Rudy Giuliani … and that's what Trump has in store for America and the world if Americans voters are deluded enough to vote him back into office.

Ah ok fantastic. So then we shouldn't really be holding Vice presidents to account for their policy or actions right? Or does that standard only hold until you guys want to have a go at Harris?

Really tough to keep up with you guys twisting yourself in knots.

good job he'll only be the vice president then, yeah?

You know that Donald is a nearly 80 year old morbidly obese man right? If his health fails in another 4 year presidential term we're looking at President JD Vance. No need to be risking that.

Whatever a persons personal beliefs or optimism about a Trump presidency, the thought of JD Vance getting the top job should be enough to make most people vote Harris.

If you believe the recent spin that Harris is incompetent, mentally challenged and ineffective in general, and also has a socialist agenda, then you could vote with a clear conscience knowing she will achieve nothing.

The possibility of JD Vance as president, should fill most with terror.

The pillow king will start acting as the official Sofa pimp of POTUS.