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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • #1502
    Capt'n Midnight
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122663512#Comment_122663512

    The Republicans wanted every pregnant chad aborted.

    Democrats should not have conceded that election, because the Republicans wouldn't.



  • #1503
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122664076#Comment_122664076

    I heard from someone that some of the punch ballots were pre-punched for Trump so a Trump vote was valid but a Gore vote was invalid. Now it could be a fake theory, but it was a way to favour Trump if true. Now it would be possible to have tested this at the time, but of course the will to do so was absent.



  • #1504
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122663475#Comment_122663475

    From memory, Gore would have had more votes in a statewide recount, but not in the counties that were actually involved in the case. Still an utterly disgraceful decision by Scotus, the first major step of Robert's dismantling of American Democracy



  • #1505
    Loafing Oaf
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122664076#Comment_122664076

    Democrats should not have conceded that election

    How could they have continued the fight after the Supreme Court had ruled?

    Al Gore always said the only avenue open to him after that was calling the army onto the streets…



  • #1506
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122664441#Comment_122664441

    Yes I believe if the recount the USSC stopped had been allowed finish it would have stayed as a Bush win regardless. A full state recount however would have led to Gore.

    Fairly ridiculous system all in all. It's particularly perverse when you realise they have two full months before the president takes power anyway. Why not use that time to make sure the results were correct?



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  • #1507
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122665146#Comment_122665146

    Republicans feel voting access and accurate tabulating are inherently undemocratic, which says all you need to know about them.



  • #1508
    Glencarraig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Apparently The Chump came out yesterday and said that "Harris was born brain damaged" or something just as disgusting, what a pathetic excuse for a human being the orange idiot is.



  • #1509
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭eire4


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122665849#Comment_122665849

    At this point they are an authoritarian party for the most part. They truly are a disgrace to all the ideals of the US in its founding and constitution.



  • #1510
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,221 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666758#Comment_122666758

    And in the same weekend, he managed to come across as proud that in his business dealings he avoided paying overtime to staff as much as possible.

    A view not likely to endear him to Teamster unions which is something he has still to do as discussed over the last couple of pages here.



  • #1511
    Flaneur OBrien
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667701#Comment_122667701

    Yes, but Sean O'Brien is mad about Trump, for whatever is his reason, as are a slim majority of his co-union member unions.

    It beggars belief that they want this guy to win, and at the opposite end you had a president actually join a picket line.

    We live in such a topsy turvy world.



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  • #1512
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667868#Comment_122667868

    It's not that topsy turvy, honestly. The dirty little secret of left wing politics is that many people who vote left tend to be small c conservatives who oppose the main conservative party. In the US, the Democrats are the party of unions so unions are closely aligned with them.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1513
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667983#Comment_122667983

    So why are they not going after Trump?



  • #1514
    blackwhite
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667399#Comment_122667399

    There's a long and inglorious history of voter suppression in the USA - typically targeting indigenous Americans and African Americans, but not always limited to those groups.

    The modern Republican party are particularly aggressive about it - but it's been a stain on American politics for a long time now.



  • #1515
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122668824#Comment_122668824

    Who are you referring to?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1516
    rock22
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667983#Comment_122667983

    "The dirty little secret of left wing politics is that many people who vote left tend to be small c conservatives "

    What an extraordinary comment. I suppose, to quote yourself from many of your previous posts, , I assume you have the evidence to back this up.

    The Irish Times carries a report of a journey across Pennsylvania in its' weekend magazine. In both Clairton and Johnston, two small towns in the west of the state, it was economic issues thet are driving voter intentions. This was a steel producing area but it is now cheaper to buy in steel from China. One interviewee describes themselves as 'the people at the bottom".

    But this downturn dates back to the 1970s, so it was fifty years in the making. Successive Democrat and Republican governments did little for the area. There is no sense that Trump will regenerate industry here but there is a feeling that the economy was better four years ago. And people seem less concerned about Trump rhetoric and more about getting the economy moving again.

    Whichever candidate can give the "people at the bottom" the most reason to hope will surely win their votes.

    Post edited by rock22 on


  • #1517
    spacecoyote
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    Are the US Media finally starting to focus in on Trumps cognition. He was getting a free pass against Biden, but up against Harris, there's maybe a shift in focus.

    Article in the NY Times yesterday bringing a lot of it together:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/06/us/politics/trump-speeches-age-cognitive-decline.html



  • #1518
    Brussels Sprout
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122692377#Comment_122692377

    That latest rally in Oaks, Pennsylvania where he just listened to music for half an hour while swaying from side to side was really bizarre. He seems to be having more frequent outbursts of saying completely crazy things as well.

    I get the impression that his team are just trying to bundle him over the line in the next 3 weeks. If he wins there are going to be a lot of people (low information voters who haven't been paying attention) who will be scratching their heads next year when they come to realise how truly mad he is these days and that he's now President again.



  • #1519
    markodaly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122664441#Comment_122664441

    Roberts wasn't a supreme court justice for the decision.



  • #1520
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122728217#Comment_122728217

    Correct. He was working for Bush in Florida, along with Coney-Barrett and Kavanaugh. Obviously, "they've been paid." Rehnquist was the Chief Justice, Roberts got his job from Bush.



  • #1521
    tinytobe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Ever since I have known US politics, nearly every US election was about the same 4 subjects:

    1)Immigration

    2)Abortion

    3)Gun Ownership

    4)Healthcare

    These 4 subjects always come up in every presidential election, but the focus sometimes shifts between these subjects, sometimes the one is more important than the other, but in general none have been solved to anybody's satisfaction or are ever fit for purpose.

    And when these 4 subjects are in the public discourse and polarized all the time, then maybe a 5th or 6th subject comes up: the economy, or maybe a bit of international politics here and there.

    Is it really so difficult for the US to handle all these for points I have described? An immigration system like Australia or Canada? Abortion laws like in the rest of the western world? Firearms registration/licensing and an exam, like for a driver's license and registering a car? Health care at least to the standard of the NHS, the HSE or provincial health care in Canada?

    Is politics in the US really so incompetent to solve these matters once and for all? Makes one wonder what a US politician or president is really there for, at least for domestic matters.



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  • #1522
    ~Rebel~
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122758550#Comment_122758550

    Most of those are as much societal issues as political issues. A significant portion of the population is anti-abortion, and pro gun. What you propose are things I'd 100% agree with, and things most democrats would agree with - but alas a sizable enough chunk of the American people would not, so they're difficult to push through.

    Even healthcare… it's hard to express just how much the 'red scare' did a number on the American people. This anti-anything-remotely-socialist rhetoric has been hammered into American's upbringing for generations at this stage. So stuff that seems totally reasonable to us gets labelled as communism in the US (see Trump branding Harris as Comrade Kamala for example). The bootstraps fallacy is very much alive and well for many, and since one of the two parties uses these points of devision as their policy backbone, we won't see much change on them for the foreseeable.

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  • #1523
    tinytobe
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122760545#Comment_122760545

    Don't get me wrong, I am not against gun ownership. However the current practice in place would mean it's like you're driving a Porsche but don't have a driver's license, never register the car, have no license plates, etc… I think Americans should have the right to keep and bear arms, that's in the 2nd amendment, but it should be regulated. Every gun registered to an owner as per serial number, every gun owner holding a license, having done a training, etc….



  • #1524
    ~Rebel~
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122760920#Comment_122760920

    Totally agree with you - but unfortunately more than a few Americans (and quite importantly, gun lobbyists) don't. Which is what makes it very hard to put in place.

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  • #1525
    tinytobe
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122760965#Comment_122760965

    On another matter I often think what would the impact of a Trump presidency be on Ireland? If Trump was having a go, and initiate a trade war, would Ireland be seen as a "hostile enemy" to Trump's way of thinking? Or would Trump exclude Ireland on any trade wars?



  • #1526
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122760977#Comment_122760977

    Ireland is part of the EU. Any anti-Irish measures would be anti-EU measures by default unless he implements specific tariffs like on stout from the EU which would obviously be aimed at Ireland. The EU would retaliate and nobody would be better off.

    It's the sort of populist drivel that disintegrates if you think about it for a few seconds.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1527
    Sam Russell
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    I think Trump thinks tariffs will be paid by the supplier and not the recipient. It is the USA consumer that will pay these tariffs making for a rise in inflation.

    He is really ignorant in so many ways.



  • #1528
    Brussels Sprout
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122760977#Comment_122760977

    I honestly think that when he thinks of Ireland his thought process is something like:

    "Ireland? Hmm, I've got a golf course there. I'll leave that alone."



  • #1529
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761165#Comment_122761165

    That's not how they work. Think of it like an import tax, Trump is trying to encourage businesses to use US based suppliers to escape those taxes, but when those suppliers don't exist and those businesses have to import from China, those tariffs are just a tax of business.



  • #1530
    Brussels Sprout
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761298#Comment_122761298

    They also hammer American exporters to China who will no doubt face similar tariffs on their own goods.



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  • #1531
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A bit of an aside but I recommend Dmitry Grozoubinski's book about Trade and why so many politicians either lie about it or just get it wrong.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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