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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    I see the Ukrainians are no longer in vogue for the shinners

    Is it left or right for Gibraltar sinn fein?

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    https://x.com/PearseDoherty/status/1838944691309470034



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Led by Leo Varadkar we had a year or more of people being excoriated in the Dáil, in the media, here on boards.ie for raising concerns about the levels of immigration. They were 'racist', 'Putinists' 'Far Right vote grabbers etc etc etc. as the aforementioned Varadkar and his government basked in the glow of their virtue signalling.

    Now we have the self same Varadkar admitting he was wrong, Simon Harris distorting the figures to dogwhistle and a conversation opening up about the mess that has been made of the whole issue.

    That conversation has to be frank but responsible.

    SF objected to the fairness of this scheme and the effects it was having a year ago when it was extended so there is nothing new here. Like with what Harris said you have to decide if he is right or wrong.

    Doherty is blaming the government for this not Ukrainians. And he is not looking for people to be thrown off the scheme but just to stop new applications to it.

    If Doherty is wrong about the effect this is having

    Doherty has claimed that now one in seven private rental properties in his home county of Donegal were not being put on the housing market as, according to the TD, landlords reckon they receive better revenue by leasing the home to those from Ukraine.

    He told the Dáil: “The scheme, as you know Minister, provides €800 a month to pay for rent for Ukrainians regardless of whether they’re working and regardless of their income. The payment is tax free, and that means – to a landlord – that it is worth €1,600.

    then he is indeed dogwhistling like Harris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    People pay tax all ready on all income and have paid tax on savings. Interest on savings is taxed at by dirt. So SF intend to tax these more.

    How do you tax shares in non trading companies. Is it a levy on the turnover of the company, These companies already pay 12.5% corporation tax. We already have rates on commercial buildings do SF intend to tax on top of that. The government is bringing in a vacant property tax is SF intending on increasing these new tax rates.

    Shares in publicly traded companies have a 1% stamp duty paid on purchase, dividends are taxed at your marginal tax rate mostly 50% and profits at disposals taxed at 33% do SF intend to increase these.

    All houses are subject to PT Inc holiday homes. Do SF intend to load these further to make up the loss in PT.

    Cars are taxed already through car tax, VRT VT etc where is the extra tax proposed. HTF do you tax jewelery. Vat is already paid on its purchase, do they intend to have a yearly tax on wedding bands etc. Most private planes are in company names will Ryanair have to pay a tax on its planes

    I farm when I sell cattle I could have 70-80k in the farm account, if they tax that on specific day of the year how do I pay my bills or buy next years stock.

    SF proposals might seem OK to the great unwashed but there is no great untaxed wealth to replace present taxation measures. Even those that crib about USC fail to realise its a tax that cannot be avoided by the wealthy.

    The average private company is a local resturant, shop pub or farm. Most owners work 50-70 hour weeks. They already pay there taxes what is SF actual proposal and the tax rate

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bass, all I did here was point out that a poster was engaging yet again in nonsense sensationalism. He tried to posit the theory that there would be only one beneficiary of getting rid of LPT and then when called out pivoted to the equally sensational theory that the dreaded good republicans would be the only beneficiaries.
    I didn't say anything about this replacement policy.
    Having read the actual Act since, I think 'income' is income from properties owned.
    The doc dates from 2012 as pointed out. I agree it is not fully formed and probably needs revision.
    I don't, on a quick look at their alternative budget, see any mention of it so it may have been shelved, somebody from SF might know more?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Any chance that Francie could dig deep into his well-thumbed Sinn Fein spinners' handbook and remind us which tax or taxes 8 out of 10 voters don't believe is an unfair tax? My guess is that it's probably Pearse Motormouth's frequently promised "the tax that the other guy will have to pay, but you won't".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Pearse Motormouth's frequently promised 'the tax the other guy will have to pay, but you won't'

    When did he say that? Did somebody mention 'spinning'? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    And now, having showed us your inner Brendan O'Carroll, how about answering my simple question? Feel free to phone a friend if you have one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nah, I'm not going to engage with somebody who wilfully misquotes. You cannot be trusted.

    *BTW I was quoting an actual survey, no lies or spinning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    My better half has an aunt in the UK. Herself and her husband live in a small two bed house in Leeds. She said they pay 2400 sterling in Council tax every year. Tge great thing about council tax is everyone owners and renters pay it.

    Property tax is not excessive and if you surveyed people over 50% would say VRT, Car tax, vat USC income tax etc are all unfair. However they want free education to beyond third level, free doctors, dentists etc.

    Unfortunately somebody has to pay for it. This mythical wealth tax who pays it. Generally anyone proposing a wealth tax is hinting it being at or around 2%.

    Just say on saving over 50k someone with 150k in saving woukd pay 2k/ year, they be lucky if it was earning 2.5% interest, or 3.75k on the complete 150k. 1240 will go on dirt, say 2k on the wealth tax leaving the person with the saving 510 euro. Now 2% on the personnel jewellery the person other half has will eat up a good bit of the 500 euro.

    For to replace PT you will need to increase income tax. Our marginal rate is 50 applied at income of over 43k in Ireland approximately. Will SF increase that rate and at what income level.

    The main beneficiaries of getting rid of PT will be older people who pay little tax anyway, thecreally wealthy who have large houses and if you increase income tax on them they will become tax exiles

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am not arguing with you.
    If LPT is abolished it needs to be replaced by a suite of taxes to fund services.
    What this and previous governments messed up on was heaping tax on top of tax. It's not me saying it's unfair, it's 8 out of 10 people surveyed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    And no doubt the same 8 out of 10 people agreed that PAYE, income tax, USC, PRSI, betting tax, carbon tax, excise duty on booze and fags and the cost of TV licence were all fair! 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Well said - I like your contributions!

    Looking at the tax system in general in my opinion the single most glaring inequity in it is the absence of water charges.

    Primarily the doing of Sinn Fein. That chicken is coming home to roost in the North where Sf are twisting and turning to find a way out of a self invented cul de sac.

    The only problem with LPT is it's too low; the result is soaring house prices which is putting houses further and further out of reach of those without them. Are Sf concerned about these people atall?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    People believe LPT is unfair because it doesn’t account for personal circumstances according to the survey.

    All you ask of any taxation system is that it us as fair to as many people as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Do you understand the difference between income and capital? Between, for example, renting something or owning it? One is permanent, the other temporary. Taxes are either one or the other. Lpt is a tax on capital - the quite reasonable inference that underlies it is that someone that owns a house is richer than one who does not, and therefore it is just to levy a charge on that cohort of the population. The fact that the great unwashed don't understand or appreciate this is neither here nor there.

    As mentioned above a small 2 bed house in Leeds attracts a property tax of €2,500. The same here would be probably €250. The tax obviously is TOO LOW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Our income tax rates are harsher than in the UK.

    A homeowner in the UK can more readily afford to pay higher council tax because they keep more of their money; dont pay 40% tax until they earn equal to 60,000 euro a year, they dont pay USC & dont pay extra for waste charges and the cost of everything is generally lower.

    If we had the same LPT rates as UK council tax, we would have a much higher tax burden overall for average and above earners vs the UK, which would not be good for business or jobs here.

    That said, vacant property tax in Ireland, both residential and commercial, should be emphatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    yes, changed times, thank god.
    smoke and mirrors in action for all to see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    LPT does account for personal circumstances. Those with the biggest most expensive houses pay the most, the homeless, the renters and those in social housing pay nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If I was genuinely interested in a 'fair' tax (and I am not convinced either LPT or a wealth tax is fair) I would not be basing a tax on the putative value of a house tbh because that tax fails to take into account the circumstances of the occupants.

    I.E. I's be with the 8 out 10 who think it is unfair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,823 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    well we could take a long look at ffg, talking about smoke and mirrors! theyre all full of it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Very Trumpian the way they are disguising the crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sinn-fein-press-officers-resign-after-providing-references-for-ex-colleague-convicted-of-child-sex-crimes/a417634109.html

    The Liam Adams culture strikes again. When you have a practice at the top of looking after child abusers and finding them jobs, it is difficult to blame the underlings who copy the practice to look after one of their own.

    MLMD needs to wipe that culture of supporting criminality out of SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Good to see them resign. Would that all who write references for offenders would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How are they disguising the crowd exactly and from whom?
    Such utter nonsense this.
    All started because Alex Maskey said on Twitter that the ‘room was full’

    The room they set up was full. Unless you think they wait to see who turns up and then create a room around them with stage and audio visuals etc. Utter desperate nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The Ukrainians were never in vogue for the shinners. Remember they were Putin patsies who refused to condemn Russia right up until the invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The room wasn't full, they made the room artificially smaller to make it look like it is full, just like Trump has started booking smaller venues. Same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Like many they created a room in a bigger space. They didn’t do that after the crowd turned up.
    Your latest rant is probably one of the most ridiculous I have heard. The space(room) they created was full.

    You still haven’t explained ‘who they were disguising it from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭standardg60


    A picture tells a thousand stories, I was wondering how the whole stage and seating had been dismantled by the nine o'clock news!

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,763 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You are thus against a tax on wealth, which is unusual for a supporter of a party on the left of the political spectrum.

    But very indicative of SF becoming FF with a new hat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What?

    I will support fair taxation whosoever proposes it.



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