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Battery - to take advantage of 2am to 5am cheap rate electricity - v2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Not exactly definitive, but my @~9kwh battery was 95Kg. So I'd say a 5Kwh battery would be in about 55-60Kg. Still a substantial weight.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I have some experience here. I bought an electric hoist from Amazon to lift a similar (seplos vertical) battery up onto a cabinet I made for it. The height was less than 1m, but it's the same challenge. I had to secure the hoist first and used ratchet straps to lift the battery into position. I would personally avoid the attic due to hot summers degrading the battery and cold winters costing efficiency, but you must have an inverter up there already, so probably want to keep everything together.

    Spread the weight.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    Great idea, a relatively cheap electric hoist should do the trick. Yeah, all the kit is up there in the attic so I’m stuck with it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭CBD2


    I'm thinking of buying a battery set up of Life po4 15-20kwh to use cheap ev rate. I have two evs but one charge each a weak usually covers them. I'm not adverse to a diy battery but having done some research and watched alot of Will Prowse reviews, I've been turned off the Aliexpress route (unless someone can recommend a good seller) My roof is not great for solar but may add at a later date, at back of house on a separate structure yet to be built. Can anyone recommend a good value system that's safe/reliable and an installer who knows what they're doing (greater Dublin area).One final thing, has anyone imported any EG4 hybrid/batteries from USA or is it cost prohibitive. I was on their site and shipping looks to be about $350 to Ireland, which I wouldn't mind paying as it seems great kit. Don't know how import duties would affect the price either. Any response/guidance much appreciated.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    2 EV house here. Recent 5.2kWp solar install, but the winner for me is the DIY battery setup.

    I setup 2 x 15kWh Seplos battery kits, each costing under €2k. Cells from NKON in the Netherlands and battery case from Fogstar in the UK. Some of the lads on here convinced me to go the DIY route rather than ready-made and I am glad I decided to take on the challenge. I charge up on cheap night rate leccy and use that during the day. EVs are charged as needed on cheap rate too.

    Check out Andy on the "off grid garage" for inspiration. I also put out a how to guide on YT if you want to go with the Seplos kits. IMO, you'd be mad to import from the USA. The idea is to save money and that's a big chunk for the sake of a brand you don't need. Plenty of equipment more local.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭CBD2


    Really appreciate your advice and it's just what I needed to hear. I will have a look at your suggestions and whatever I end up doing, I'll post here. Thanks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddy236


    This is definitely the way to go if you can assemble the battery yourself. Cells from nkon.nl are great value with good aftersales service. Here's the instructions for the case and BMS that I bought:

    https://youtu.be/FQLenWgu6vE?si=Kh6swDS_xiRLjhd-

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭CBD2


    Thanks, appreciate the help and support. One thing that concerns me is do RECI electricians have any reluctance when connecting diy battery build to the grid to complete the set up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    Just placed my order for a standard GobelPower GP-SR1-PC200 with the pace BMS and NEEY balancer, all in for €2,300. Jesus, I hope I haven't just made the dumbest online purchase of my life!! 😨

    https://www.gobelpower.com/gobel-power-gpsr1pc200-standard-512v-280ah-15kwh-lifepo4-server-rack-battery_p107.html#3

    Invoice including DDP and 4.4% credit card fee came to €2441, or USD2556 which could be got for €2300 on Revolut credit card.

    If anyone's interested, keep an eye out for a very lightly used Dyness BX51100 (installed June 2024) coming up for sale around January, I guess.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Should have gone JKBMS version since it has built in balancer and potentially better compatibility with inverters (and support from boardsies) but either way I'm sure it will work out better than non DIY packs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    Yeah, I was pretty close to that based on advice here, but watching a few recent Off-grid Garage vids on YouTube swayed me back to the Pace + NEEY setup.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    It’s no different than connecting an off the shelf battery. The inverter is connected to the grid and the battery is connected to the inverter. Once the inverter and battery settings are set up, it’s pretty much plug and play. My videos cover that aspect too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭CBD2


    Cheers, I've been binge watching your YT video tutorials which are very good. Almost ready to pull the trigger now. Thanks again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭CBD2


    Well done, I'm starting down a similar path soon hopefully.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Newtown90


    Is it coming from the EU or China?

    Interested in hearing how it goes - I had messaged them only last week.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    China. EU stock was considerably more expensive. 7-10 days to ship, 60-70 days to deliver, should be here early to mid December.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭CBD2


    Think I've hit a snag. Contacted four different electricians,one of which is a solar/battery installer, and none will do the job. Just to be clear I don't have solar already, so for people who do its a simple job just to connect diy battery to existing inverter/grid.I decided to check before buying anything. Looks like I'll have to get a cheap solar install to get me hooked up but not ready to do that yet.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    90 days is more realistic so be prepared for that.

    Just tell them to wire the battery fuse/disconnect to the inverter and then you just wire up the batteries yourself, very easy to do.

    You also do NOT need RECI approval to connect DC batteries to your system so for insurance purposes you're all good.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭CBD2


    Yep, that's what I asked them and none would do it. Once they hear of DIY battery being added after they're heading for the hills.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddy236


    You can do the batteries afterwards yourself. Just have the battery case and fuse holder dimensions before the RECI starts and ensure space is left for them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Don't mention DIY at all, say you're thinking of adding a Dyness or Pylontech or some other off the shelf battery down the line.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭CBD2


    Yes, will do that down the line when I get solar. Problem is, nobody just adds an inverter to the house without solar or battery.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Does anyone have any recommendations on where to buy busbars for hooking up the likes of the Seplos/Gobel battery packs?

    Also what size, as I am getting conflicting info. I was thinking a 5mm x 25mm x (X length) pure copper bar would be enough for me needs, which is going to be 3 x 15kWh Seplos batteries.

    I see the likes of THIS 6mm x 25mm C101 is good for 400A, but then the online calculators give this a rating of 180A.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Ive come across them calculators too and seem really conservative when compared to cables,

    Usually it comes down to the cross sectional area, mm². Double the mm² double the current.

    So a 6mm*25 is 150mm² - and they say it can only carry 180 amps.

    Standard cables for the solis is 25mm2 I think.

    Going on that calculation 25mm2 could only carry 30 amps.

    From experience, 10mm2 get a little warm at 60 amps, 25 is fine for 100. You could push up to 150-180 with 35 but it's pushing it, 50 would be much better for 200 amps.

    You only have to worry about the current that your putting into the batteries too, so solis at 100 amps, and possibly a charger at 60?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yeah, I wonder if they are using a high FoS built into the algorithm. 5x25 copper would be more than enough as i thought.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Similar setup and I'm using 35mm2 from the batteries to the switch and then 140mm2 from both + and - to inverter 2x70mm2 for + and - which is overkill but the inverter requires two connections for each to reach 300a and the cables aren't getting hot.

    Was thinking about that calculator as well and how it underestimates the value, as I might split the batteries to bus bars so I can add a rectifier for extra pumping in winter.

    Also that 400a bus bar has 11 holes in it, surely if you remove all that copper then it should no longer carry the same?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    surely if you remove all that copper then it should no longer carry the same?

    Agreed on that. Unless they are plugged with another highly conductive metal, the conductivity must be lower. This would be true of even a single hole left unfilled and might account for a higher FoS, or lower efficiency in those calculators.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Where is best to buy the copper busbars? If I can buy local (Dublin) for a decent price, I will. Otherwise it looks like Ali-Express and a long wait….but then I will be waiting a good while for another set of cells and a Seplos kit, which are out of stock at NKON and Fogstar.

    For the busbars, i'm thinking of getting 500mm lengths of 5x25, so I can work with them in sections. When I need to add more length, I will drill a couple of holes in the ends of each length and bolt them to eachother with a good 30mm overlap.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    What sort of current are you expecting, would cables be sufficient and use one of them busbars from mpe?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭GarlicBed


    I've seen domestic bus bars been given different ratings depending on how you connect them.

    So if you connected your inverter at one end and the batteries at the other then the bar will see the whole current as apposed to connecting the inverter in the center and the batteries at the ends its only seeing half the current .

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