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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,380 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's in the same memory hole as Trump's attempt to subvert the election result and incite a mob (QAnon were prominent on that mob) to storm the Capitol on January 6th. Or pretty much anything bad connected to Trump really. Only way to maintain the fantasy.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/qanon-shaman-stormed-capitol-jan-6-files-paperwork-run-congress-rcna124858

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Let's be clear, Trump's only interest in dismantling any part the government is to be handed the keys to it and to tear down the guardrails that keep the United States a Republic. It's no theory either, he tried carrying out as much of this as he could during his term, with multiple 'saturday night massacres' and deep manipulations of agencies that are ordinarily autonomous from the White House, like the DOJ (NYT), both under Sessions, and Barr (NPR), and as part of the autocoup attempt (PBS). Trump wanted no part of dismantling a 'deep state,' he wanted deep control over the state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    I have heard people use it with a straight face. The fact that they were in patients did have something to do with it however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There's undoubtedly a lot of people who fall for the QANON lunacy but don't realise that it's the source of that lunacy because it aligns with what they believe already. Similarly, others will try and keep a distance from it while pushing it's narrative because they know it invalidates all their arguments (which are usually based on it).

    I'm sure there is some sort of left equivalent, but it doesn't seem as mainstream (or is it?!…)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Same as people who buy into the Great Replacement Theory, but I still do not buy their pretending they didn't know what Qanon is, considering it's been in the zeitgeist since Pizzagate in 2016 up well through the Jan 6 insurrection.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Trump's VP was effectively chosen by Peter Thiel, Trump also intends to give a role to Elon Musk. Basically it's one step further than lobbying, he's just letting the mega wealthy make the decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Bill Maher was an interesting figure to watch in 2020, because, for literally the entire year, he repeatedly asked his guests 'what happens if Trump loses and he doesn't leave?' He took January 6th seriously, even before we knew the day or the means by which Trump would refuse to leave. And his guests rarely had any good answers and he was quite prescient.

    So it's at a minimum, worthy to note that Maher is 'not worried' about Trump winning this election at all:

    In an Overtime segment featuring writer Fran Lebowitz, Israeli historian Yuval Noah Harari, and political consultant Ian Bremmer, Maher dismissed the possibility to Trump getting back into the White House.

    After Bremmer argued it’s unclear whether voters will repeat the “mistake” of Trump yet, Maher declared he’s already put his “marker” down.

    “We’re not. I’ve already put my marker down on that,” he said.

    “Then it’s a counter-example,” Bremmer said.

    “No, I’m not even worried about it,” Maher said.

    “You’re not even worried about it?” Lebowitz asked.

    “No, not at all,” Maher replied. “Yeah, no, no, no, he’s definitely going to lose. You just feel it.”

    Lebowitz told the comedian she hopes he’s “right.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-assures-panel-that-trump-is-definitely-going-to-lose-im-not-even-worried-about-it/

    Of course he's not the most reliable prophet on presidential elections - that would be Alan Lichtman, who already called this election for Kamala Harris a few weeks ago, with 8 out of 13 of his keys (6 or more keys being true forecasts an incumbent loss).

    But naturally, Lichtman says that depends on people getting out the vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Sorry to do this to you mate, but I have to fact-check you here.

    Bill Maher is not a comedian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,029 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    He's an…….. entertainer?

    He tried to come off as a philosopher type recently and a real comedian, Bill Burr, let it be known in no uncertain terms that he wasn't that either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Back this, he has never been funny, ever. His talk show is just a platform for him to try and sound smart, and he just comes across as an entitled plank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It was in the article itself

    Lebowitz told the comedian she hopes he’s “right.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The more TV show hosts, entertainers, comedians that get under Trumps skin with wisecracks about him, the better. Distract him from the serious issues so he'll go on weird rants about Biden, his deeply ingrained enemy. Roll out Biden as a decoy. Trump pays attention to what's on the TV and internet, being a media site owner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    A heads-up: Trump will give a speech focusing on immigration in about 30 mins in Wisconsin. It's a smart strategy, as the electorate trusts Trump to manage this important issue much more effectively than Harris. He should continue to focus on it. Enjoy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,380 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Will he take questions on why he nuked the border bill?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm sure he'll have a nice xenophobic rant. He might bring up Hannibal and pet eating nonsense etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    This is his second speech-visit to Wisconsin this month, the Central Wisconsin Airport there on 07 Sept. Is there something more important about Wisconsin vote-wise as an election rally venue than most other states?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,380 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Will he mix up asylum seekers and mental asylum patients again?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,801 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    afaik opinion polls have Wisconsin in a knife edge. Maybe trumps numbers guys are telling him it’s more winnable than penn?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,015 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Why not call it the administrative state in the first place instead of deep state? It's a fact of life that no-one can be everywhere at once, including the POTUS, and that some powers therefore need to be delegated. So, it's interesting to me that you would choose to lead with the term 'deep state' when you have to know from following US politics that it's a politically-charged term that implies a degree of nefariousness.

    Trump is on record as saying that he will - day one - reinstate his 'schedule F' executive order, that will place all federal employees under direct control of the president and give him the power to expunge the government of 'rogue bureaucrats'.

    Now, hopefully you will understand that the concern here is that Trump will define 'rogue bureaucrat' as any department head with the gall to disagree with Trump on matters of policy, regardless of who is on the right side of the argument. That is tyranny.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "Now, hopefully you will understand that the concern here is that Trump will define 'rogue bureaucrat' as any department head with the gall to disagree with Trump on matters of policy, regardless of who is on the right side of the argument"

    The wonder would be if he didn't.(yes,it would be tyranny)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,015 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The other thing is that Trump is a man promising to root out corruption despite being demonstrably corrupt and wont to act in his own self interest with a complete disregard for internal stability. He's recorded on the phone attempting to extract extra non-existent votes from the Georgia Secretary of State. He's implicated in the plot to return fake electors. He's on video tape calling the Georgia Secretary of State an 'enemy of the people'. He's on video tape saying that if he lost 2020, it would be because of rigging. He's been convicted for using campaign funds to pay off a potential detractor from his 2016 campaign.

    We could go on and on. There's no evidence in his demonstrated character that he would wield, let's say, 'enhanced' executive power in a wise and fair way. This is a man who proudly touts a mugshot of himself scowling right down the camera and posted a word cloud about himself with 'REVENGE' in red at the centre of it.

    Not that there would be much of a countering argument to these points. There can't be. They're not for Trump because they believe these points to be incorrect. These aspects of Trump are a feature, not a bug, for them. They'll just not really argue the points and hope Trump wins so they can say, 'Haha, suck it'. And if doesn't - back under the rock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Trump gave a speech earlier in Wisconsin and thankfully someone on twitter gave a summary of it and the amount of projection is off the scale. He sounds completely nuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I suppose projection may be a mechanism of shutting out/down criticism of oneself.And it is so ludicrously easy to do,especially if you have majored in creating convenient alternative realities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭nachouser


    At one point he said something like "If Kamala is re-elected..."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Name a Trump policy about immigration, just one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    The highlight was: “Biden became mentally impaired. Kamala was born that way”.

    Classic Trump! He nailed it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,832 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Trump lost Wisconsin to Biden in 2020 - 48.8 to 49.4 so one could see why he wants to win there, to wipe out the memory of losing there by such a close margin last time around. It would probably burn him up if he lost to Biden's V/P, seeing as she's the replacement for Biden.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Completely on track for Trump. Not the first time he's mocked disabilities:

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    But but have you guys not seen Kamala's facade at the border or her most recent word salad? Both candidates are just terrible aren't they?

    🙄



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