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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Access to car parks should be maintained. The plan was to reduce drivers moving through the city, not stop them driving into it to park, socialise or spend money there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Daith


    They still could have done that with the original plan, they just would have had to take a different route. If cars were going up Jervis St, they have access to two car parks right there.

    Also, as you are well aware, Arnotts are planning to reduce the number of car parking spaces themselves to make way for a hotel and you aren't up in arms about that for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Not up in arms at all. If Arnotts close their car park, then access is no longer required. Fair enough.

    But until then, access is required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Daith


    So if Arnotts decides to close its car park that's fine?

    Where are the people going to park and shop and put money into the economy then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    If they own the carpark, its their perogative, no?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Daith


    But you keep maintaining that the car park is necessary for the economy.

    So if they do shut down their car park, or reduce the number of spaces, what are people who want to park in Arnotts going to do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I am sure Arnotts are better qualified to judge how many spaces they need than we are.

    If they close the car park and there is no other reason for car access to the road, I dont think many folks would have an issue with the road being assigned to buses, but until then..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Daith


    Are you suggesting people who want to shop in Arnotts would have to park somewhere else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I am suggestimg thats up to Arnotts to decide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Patser


    How are you drawing this conclusion after just 1 month of operation, at a quiet time of year?

    What are the time savings being made by public transport in this area, the main reasoning behind these measures? Is there a disproportionate impact on other services, as traffic and congestion moves elsewhere? As Christmas period approaches, is there a positive growth to shopping in City as its seen as more attractive place to be, or negative impact as retailers worried about, as City is seen as less accessible?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Daith


    But where would they park if they wanted to shop in Arnotts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Somewhere else - as simple as that! It feels that you're trolling here.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    it really isn’t a quiet time of the year. School and universities are back and workers are back from summer holidays, so it is back to normal levels. Sure it isn’t December, but it is a normal busy time of the year.

    The buses on the route have seen a 25% speed increase as stated by the NTA. That is an incredible success.

    It is all much nicer for cyclists and pedestrians now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Daith


    Yeah it is that simple.

    It just feels a bit incredible that we need to maintain access to Arnotts car park and therefore have to allow cars up O'Connell St North for as long as Arnotts want, and then when Arnotts decides they want to reduce car parking spots because they want more money from a hotel, suddenly access is no longer important and those drivers will just need to find other places to park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Daith


    And also, there's very little restrictions on the main shopping areas.

    There might be a problem accessing some areas around Temple Bar and the quays, but accessing Stephens Green, Grafton St, Henry St, etc hasn't changed that much



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, if Arnotts don’t want to convert it, we should go ahead and CPO it, for the greater good of the city.

    There are two car parks on Jervis street and another at the Illac Center Car park. These are like a 5 minute walk from Arnotts! They are also much larger car parks, the Arnotts one is relatively small, just 350 spaces, the equivalent of 4 double decker buses or 1 Luas!

    Holding up the whole city for so little is mad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I think if Arnotts wants planning permission to convert the existing car park to a (more lucrative) hotel, then a condition of approval should be NO parking spaces/car park except access for deliveries etc. LUAS is beside it FGS. Will DCC insist on it I wonder? As bk above said, it is absolutely crazy to arrange Dublin traffic around a private 300 odd space car park anyway in this day and age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Patser


    Colleges are back one week, and all other benefits you mention are localised to just that one area.

    Questions I asked still remain, are there significant knock on effects in surrounding areas, and is there an impact on businesses in the city.

    Claiming massive success within a month, while focusing entirely on a single area seems premature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭Ireland trains


    Actually most colleges are back a number of weeks, and are probably the busiest they’ll be all year, with this time of year being one of the busiest for buses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,600 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Hopefully it won't take years. The existing signage looks very temporary. Moving to 24 hrs should be the next step and then move the bus gate down to the jervis St junction. Also time is ticking on the left turn ban on pearse st



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,600 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    So now we have the full length of carriageway from Jervis to OCS dedicated exclusively for the pleasure of Selfridges Ltd. A multi national corporation, a public space, owned and maintained publicly. And you're fine with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,600 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Up to 20% time savings and footfall is up year on year for the past month according to NTA and Tublin Town business association



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,600 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The canal cordon count in November should confirm that. Anecdotally I've only seen a reduction in traffic volumes since with most areas staying the same. Fr mathew bridge is a little bit busier. That has been reduced to 1 traffic lane southbound also and 1 cycle lane. With no comment from the car lobbyists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Buses can get anywhere they need to & they have been prioritised.

    If retail analysis deems that the car park is still needed to support businesses and jobs, its better that buses take a little longer to get up OCS than they run a minute or two faster and the impact is that nobody can park their cars in the central shopping area.

    The people driving wont suddenly decide to get the bus into town, they will shop online or head to out of town centres.

    You are a bus enthusiast and its understandable you prioritise bus travel. On the other hand, car ownership in this country is growing and alot of those drivers just will not use buses, end of story.

    CPOing one car park sets a precedent for the next CPO and I dont believe that is a smart move for the vibrancy of the city, nor its economic potential.

    Public transport should be prioritised, yes. But not to the point that the overall capacity for drivers to park in the city centre reduces, at the same time that the number of car owners is increasing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,668 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I doubt that any further traffic changes will happen until after the general election.

    The parties won’t want to rock the boat anymore until after that has taken place, however much it’s the right thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,668 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    This has to be one of most bonkers posts that I’ve ever read on these forums.

    Firstly, I would never accuse that poster of being a “bus enthusiast”. A desire for public transport to be prioritised and the public realm to be improved doesn’t make someone a “bus enthusiast”.

    And I am sorry to say this, but the rest of your post is absolute nonsense.

    If people wish to drive into the city centre, they will still be able to, but they cannot expect to be able to drive everywhere directly anymore. Car parks will still be there, but they may in time take longer to get to and from as more priority measures are rolled out.

    Government policy is to prioritise public transport, not to facilitate people who won’t use it. That is their choice, but don’t expect policy to be shaped around those who want their creature comforts.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    Car ownership nationally and car usage on O'Connell Street are related only by the use of the word car.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    The people who do this will also cover their number plates, just has has happened in NYC, London etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Bar the bus enthusiast comment, my post agreed with everything you just said, so we must both be bonkers.

    The poster was talking about CPOing of car parks; that's a very different thing than prioristing public transport over cars, while still allowing cars to access and park in the city centre.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,600 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Arnotts car park isn't supporting anything other than a few bob for selfridges. What a bizarre and incorrect post. Car ownership is actually decreasing lately and the number of young people with a drivers license is actually decressing but don't let facts get in the way of your odd rant.



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