Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Your calling half of America racist ,homophobes & Xenophobes .

That an outrageous claim ,its almost a Xenophobe thing to say, The aul saying pot kettle black comes to mind ,

So what is it half of America are racist ,homophobes & Xenophobes or maybe people in America aren't as impressed with Harris as this thread is

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I guess we only have to leave it there because you can hardly be specific about what clips you’re referring to or from where - now can you?

You said they were referenced above but they weren’t.

Have you at all bothered to watch any of her interviews before making your proclamations that she isn’t giving precisely the type of answers you’ve wanted her to give?

You can strop but the fact is your criticism didn’t pass the smell test, because I’ve seen her answers. And you clearly haven’t. Yet you tried to pretend like you had. That’s the underlying problem here, not that you were “being critical” of Harris, it’s that your criticism wasn’t grounded in reality. That’s the “hoopla” as you say.

I clearly said we can all agree he (Trump) is one of if not the worst candidate ever to make it this far,

I do not support Trump ,where have i said i do

It's close to 50/50 at the moment so Harris can not be as good of a candidate as this thread is making out,

To say everyone who support Trump (not me) is racist ,homophobes & Xenophobes means your calling close to half the voters in America them things ,Which is close to being Xenophobe yourself ,

And the fair question is, given every single horrible and criminal aspect that we know about Trump in 2024, I think it's pretty fair to wonder about the morals of somebody that will happily vote for him again?

I say this as somebody who has relatives that have and do vote for Trump. I know anecdotally what their views are like and they very much so fall into racist and conspiracy focused.

They may not be openly racist etc but they accept that the person they will vote to become the leader of the country is and is acceptable. Given the choice, and all elections are about less-than-perfect choices, 50% of the US voters seemingly think that racism etc is less important than gas prices etc.

And in the short term that is understandable, but with it comes the acceptance that people are going to label them racist. It is a price they seem, in certainly the more extreme MAGA supporters, to openly welcome.

To clarify, when I used phrasings like "If you are aware of it, and not supporting Harris against the source of that racism, then at a minimum you're ok with racism." The "you" here are Trump voters in the US.

I gave a list of the main categories of Trump supporters as I see it. You didn't engage with any of the points made or attempt to challenge their representation. The points stands.
I would further add in the category of Trump \ RFK supporters the anti vax conspiracy theory loons of the QANON movement.

So, given those categories, what is the basis for your assumption that Harris not doing better = she's a "bad" candidate.
Why?
Have you considered maybe she is a decent candidate but she is up against some deep issues in the US.
Was Biden a bad candidate? He only narrowly beat Trump.
Maybe if there was another election winning machine like Obama or Bill Clinton around, it'd be different. But you can't rely on always having a candidate like that, or mean the other candidates are "bad" in comparison.

And how it is "close to being a xenophobe"?
You're just repeating yourself now without explaining any of your logic or reasoning behind your assumptions.
Do you agree that there is a signifcant block of voters in the US backing Trump who are "racist ,homophobes & Xenophobes"?
What percentage would you put it at?
You dodged the question last time.
And can you explain at what % pointing that out makes you a xenophobe, according to your 'assumption'???

I tend to agree with Oscar here. While Harris has much better policies which are grounded in reality, I'm not sure she's commanding the airwaves the way she needs to be

As I said before with disinterested voters you need a slogan or one liner to really grab their attention. After all you're trying to convince them to go and vote for you, something they expressly aren't bothered doing

Trump is arguably pretty good at getting people's attention, even when it's by rambling utter nonsense. This is allowing him to drown out Harris's message to some degree

So even though it's appealing to the lowest common denominator, I think she needs to come out with something snappy that sticks in people's minds

Someone suggested "lock him up" but I would say something positive like "helping American people" would be better

She can lead every answer with this then to drive the message home:

"We're helping American people by giving better access to healthcare"

"We're helping American people by improving education "

"We're combating inflation to help American people"

"We're helping American people to regain control over their own bodies"

Is it going to appeal to anyone interested in politics? No

Will it be enough to get undecided voters to think more about her policies? Maybe

Anyway, I obviously don't have a future in campaign management but I hope I'm getting the idea across 😁

(Have you got "helping American people" stuck in your head yet? 😂)

I know its blasphemy to speak those words on here"

For one, I'm not sure where you've come up with the idea that people on here are Harris zealots. I don't think you're going to find many people on here that think Kamala is the next coming of Lincoln. She's fine. Decent but not out of this world amazing. So criticize away.

The problem is that we have a few posters on here whom are clearly posting in bad faith. Who only ever nitpick at Kamala for not "having any policy" or the most recent one is Kamalas "word salad". But not a peep out of said posters when Trump offends on the same points to a much greater degree.

The answer is because shes not a very strong candidate herself

It's pretty clear that this is not a normal election cycle. Where one candidate(Trump) is not very charismatic and now we have another not very charismatic boring politician running against him.

It's not completely outrageous to suggest that Trump could literally assault or shoot someone in broad daylight and still maintain his 46% of likely voters. He's already been convicted of multiple crimes and many more to come most likely. And his support base hasn't waned.

That's where we are. Trump supporters are not voting for Trump by and large because Biden (and now Kamala) are not appealing to them on the issues(foreign policy, abortion, economy etc…..)

They're voting for Trump because of a populist tribalist, us vs them polarising narrative. And you can see this in every word Trump utters. He knows well he's not going to beat Kamala on policy. So he resorts to populist nonsense and conspiracy theories to rile up his base.

Where did they say half and where does your math get you to half?

So Melania was crying wambulance on Fox News that people were calling her husband names.

The same man who mocked a person with a disability.

I'm starting to wonder about that "Genius Visa" she was awarded.

Maybe the volume of people who view your country as a place where they can succeed too?

USA, Australia and yes, Ireland are very successful by that measure.