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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,605 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I didn't get an answer to my question.

    For what reason is this needed. Why do disabled and older people need to get through traffic faster ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,038 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Weather just as bad today, but lets see tomorrow and over the weekend.

    Its unusual to have 2 sold out events like that back to back for a week,but its a good test of the quays bus gate and suggests that there is traffic dispersal occuring as a result of the changes, as many expected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,038 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    From West Dublin? Or even outside of Dublin? I think plenty in those areas will still drive to the theatres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Patser


    The Bord Gais and 3 Arena hold big events, that not only people inside Dublin go to. They may not have access to Luas or Bus, especially after the events, when capacity is more limited. Have you seen the queues for the Luas after an event in the Point, a lot of people are using those options but it's not an option for others. There may be time constraints for people getting home from work, or travelling with groups of children, or having restricted mobility. There are multiple reasons why people may choose to drive.

    If they are coming to an event, they might be happy to just write of the traffic as a once off pain, but this could have daily/regular impacts on transport in other areas of the city, so that regular commuters on public transport get messed around.

    Simply saying they 'shouldn't do that!', ignores the issue that may (again just my opinion from observation last night) be there. Closing one main artery through the City, while constricting multiple others and refusing to take that into account or analysing it; means you're happy to turn a blind eye to any issue that impacts on whatever you believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I travel from West Dublin regularly to both venues. Have used public transport for the last decade, driving to either is a nightmare.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Patser


    I mean look at Google Maps now, and at 3.30pm - there's already serious traffic congestion around the 3 Arena, especially across the East link. Access to Samuel Beckett Bridge from the South, is back up as far back as the Grand Canal Hotel. Pearse St to access Butt Bridge is equally jammed as far back as there. All ways to cross the Liffey East of the Bus Gates are congested.

    In that area there are many pinch points where public transport has no priority, so commuters going to the shows or trying to get home bith will be impacted. If people want to say - 'It shouldn't happen!' fine, but that ignores the reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The only way to quicker better public transport is less cars. If public transport is as clogged as you say, we may have to close the car parks at those venues when there are shows on. You can't near those type of venues anywhere in the world in a car during the event, it is only Irish people who feel entitled enough to rock up outside BGE Theatre, park the car outside and walk in.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    There are 60,000 blue badges in Ireland so nominating 2 cars who now have access to all bus lanes even when the driver isn't in the car is not something I would be for no.

    Are people suggesting disabled users in cars should have access to bus lanes? That is a definite no.

    I thought we were just talking about bus gates and not general bus lanes. If just bus gates, then if we put automated fine cameras on them, then you could have two options:

    1. The toll tag type idea you mentioned
    2. Online registration/app for your license plate, which you can update if you are getting in a different car for a trip. The cameras can match the license reading with this DB.

    So those are technical solutions. But the question is does this even make sense? What do other European countries do?

    In the end the people with disabilities can take the same routes as all the other cars to get to their destination. It isn't like they are banned from the city or other thing like that! I don't really see what the logic is that they should get priority through bus gates.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,038 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    That's great, but i'd say there are a lot of folks that drive still.

    I know a few in Lucan that drive and wouldnt even think of a bus (they dont live near a train station) and then once you get into Kildare, you are in car country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,605 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The disability group in question wants cars to be allowed up pedestrian streets.

    They don't seem to be in line with other groups and it's also vague as to how big or serious this group is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Drive to a Luas stop or bus stop, if you are travelling for a show, you are usually travelling off-peak or against the traffic.

    Last I checked, there were plenty of train stations in Kildare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Truck caught fire on Samuel Beckett this morning causing major diversions and gridlock so no doubt added to today's woes. Yellow wind and rain warning for Dublin not helping either.

    I agree the restrictions should be 24/7 so as to be uniform and unambiguous or else they'll often be inadvertently misused. I know I often avoid bus lanes that are not 24/7 as if I'm in an area I'm not familiar with, I'll not necessarily always see the sign with small writing permitting cars after 10am for example. I didn't break a rule but didn't avail of the rule's intent either. It can be confusing!



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,773 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I'm the same as well, bus lanes infuriate me with their times, up until recently it seemed that each one had random times of operation. It's been much improved with many of them going to 24 hours now though.

    One of my problems with driving in Dublin is a problem of DCCs making. They've put up so many different signs and poles about what you can do, and where you can drive, that I get "sign fatigue". There's so many signs that you literally can't read them all, and I invariably miss some of them. It's the exact opposite of what these signs are aimed at doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Patser


    Impact tonight doesn't seem quite as severe as yesterday. Still very heavy congestion in area but BE 133 services showing 20 min delays (down from 60), NX services bit more erratic, definitie delays but not as noticeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,038 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I understand your points, just saying that many people do still drive.

    I think more could be done to increase public safety on PT. I do hear even young people say they are reluctant to use it because of safety concerns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    The weather is quite miserable today, but it's not like that all of the time, especially heading into shows at that busy 16:00-19:30 period.

    There is sufficient transport to accommodate all these people to the venues. Driving up to the door just won't cut it. Even my mother who drives everywhere in the city (is of that mindset and generation) doesn't attempt the 3 arena, BGE theatre, Olympia, wherever by car anymore. It's all on the DART luas to the venues.

    If they want to sit in the traffic going nowhere, let them do that.

    It's like Fairview in the mornings or into Whitehall. There are hundreds of people one to a car literally going nowhere. Leave them at it! Just stay out of the way of public transport!



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    it’s only @Ezeoul that wants this (actually it’s more demanding it via an arrogant posting style). Every other poster sees the daftness of their demand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    There is no legislation that allows a local authority to give access to a blue badge holder to a restricted road or to allow them to be exempted from turning restrictions. Even if DCC wanted to do this (and it's not clear that they do), they have no way to do it. It would require new primary legislation to be drafted and passed into law, something that's not going to happen quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    What's the rationale behind requests for blue badge holders to be able to drive in road space that nobody else can? The need for reserved parking is clear, but is there a case for being able to get somewhere quicker than anyone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Daith


    I'm just basing this on reports from the meetings with councillors and other organizations about these restrictions. There's very little explanation as to why.

    "Disability groups were also present at the meeting and raised the prospect of blue badge holders being given access to bus gates in the future, which the NTA said it would explore."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    What was up with the traffic yesterday around 5pm around Lansdowne , was there something up with the East Link / Tunnel? or was that other bridge fire thing holding up traffic all day?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    It’s what lobby groups and their leaders try to do.

    Exempt themselves from laws the rest of us have to observe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,173 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Traffic all around the city was just a central **** show with the rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    ok thanks, traffic jams where I never saw them before.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    Yeah, I get that. My question was really what rationale was put forward?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Probably none 😞

    Just narcissistic nonsense.

    That politicians are too cowardly to call out so it all gains legs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    I think the reasoning was that some disabled people are unable to walk distances. The recent restrictions could mean that the closest accessible parking space or drop-off point could now be further from their destination than it was before so they should be able to legally ignore those restrictions.

    There’s definitely some merit in their concern but I’m not sure how you could address it the way they want and not dilute the effectiveness of the restrictions. If nothing else, if a driver sees someone in front ignoring the restrictions (and can’t see the blue badge), they are more likely to ignore them as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Daith


    But that's a reason why they should be able to cross O'Connell Bridge, not why they should have access to bus corridors? Is O'Connell Bridge a bus corridor now, east and west? Maybe that's what their point is.

    Anyway, the NTA are just considering it because I doubt they want the PR of saying no at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,585 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    It’s pretty clear at this point that this has been a huge success. Inevitable progress continues forward, even though it is taking way longer than it should.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Daith


    I know I'm being very negative here but we did end up with a watered down plan.

    Access to car parks were maintained and we lost improving the pedestrian realm at the quays, especially Bachelor's Walk for a few years.

    Any progress is great and it has benefited bus across the bridge and the quays, but it's not like we could look at sorting O'Connell St Northbound for buses and the Luas anytime soon



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