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Irish rail fleet and infrastructure plans

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Local politicians never mention the town when talking about the spur. It's always referred to as a link to the airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,376 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Why only a passing loop at Sixmilebridge, but double track from imerick to Limerick Junction. There is no commuter potential on the line to LJ, only intercity which will never to more than a few trains per hour so a passing loop would suffice (if even that is needed) . The Ennis line can grow passenger numbers if frequency is increased, plus it is an intercity line, wouldn't it be better to invest more on that side of the city?

    Incidentally, there is a thread for the Ennis line which is probably better suited for this discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Hopefully the passing loop at Sixmilebridge doesn't take as long as Oranmore's.

    Five years have passed, and the application for planning permission still hasn't been submitted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    IMHO, every intercity line should be:

    • double-track
    • no level crossings
    • 200kph max speed
    • electrified

    So the line from Limerick to LJ should be re-doubled, yes.

    I hope there is the potential for 5 tph each way: 2tph to Dublin, 2tph to Cork, and 1tph to Waterford.

    We need to build for growth and massive modal shift, we need to be ambitious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    doubling limerick junction to limerick is a case of you need to double to the junction to the galway line anyway, and if you are doing that you may as well just go on further and do the lot.
    so a passing loop won't suffice.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Sorry, but what do you mean by "to the junction with the Galway line"? Do you mean Limerick to Athenry? There are more urgent investments than this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,376 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Well there isn't going to be demand to justify 2tph to Dublin, 2tph to Cork, and 1tph to Waterford for a long time if talking about direct trains. Realistically you could have an hourly direct train to Dublin and one to Cork, plus then changing to/from Dublin - Cork trains between the direct trains. If the timing can be gotten right, the Waterford train could potentially serve as the link between Limerick and the Dublin - Cork trains. Obviously the Ballybrophy line also can provide a link to trains to/from Dublin and it also serves other journeys too. That level of service doesn't necessarily mean separate 10 separate train paths per hour.

    I really don't see double-tracking to LJ adding much, I'm convinced that money could do more good if spent elsewhere. Staying in the Limerick area, investment would be better put into the lines to Ennis or Nenagh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,757 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The double track needs to be extended some distance beyond Killonan Junction at the very least, ideally as far as the loop at Dromkeen, as it is a very limiting factor when trying to schedule services on the Limerick/Limerick Junction section. The shuttles pass at Killonan Junction right now, with little or no margin for late running.

    I've explained before that it's impossible to schedule closer connections from Cork in the mornings currently because the line is too congested.

    There is a clear aspiration to run additional direct services between Limerick and Cork aside from the Limerick/Limerick Junction services connecting services, and the Limerick/Dublin direct services.

    It's going to be difficult to path them without additional track capacity, and doubling Killonan to Dromkeen would make a lot of sense.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    You need to look at map. It's not physically possible to double track the Ennis line through Limerick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭OisinCooke


    I know not the point of the thread but I agree wholeheartedly with having Waterford services carry on to Colbert, I always think this makes the most sense (with a pre-09:00 arrival at both ends of course…!)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    limerick to the junction to the ennis line.

    nope doubling limerick to limerick junction is a quick and easy win and can be done relatively quickly in the great scheme of things.

    the more urjant investments will take a long time and there is money for them anyway so no reason they can't happen separately.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,353 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Is Limerick to Limerick Junction currently completely grade separated or does it have any level crossings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,757 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭rounders


    Any plans in motion for removing them?

    Given how long it's taken to get the Cork Level Crossing project over the line I'd like to see them starting planning/design now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I think the Lim Jcn to Limerick line level crossings are all 4-barrier CCTV type. I don't see the urgency in removing them.

    Looking at some videos of UK rail operations (whose rulebook is somewhat similar to ours), there are loads of CCTV level crossings on the East Coast mainline, including several on 125 mph sections.

    The main level crossing problem in Ireland is where you have manually operated crossings, necessitating a crossing keeper at each one, particularly on the Nenagh and Limerick Junction to Waterford lines. I sometimes wonder why the remaining crossings on the Cork-Mallow section are not all CCTV 4-barrier by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I'm surprised that there are LC on the ECML.

    Aren't there trains every five-ten mins?

    It's also shocking that in 2024 there are any staffed LC in Ireland.

    If a few LC were eliminated from the mainlines, could that kit be transferred to the branch lines to replace the manually operated LC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The LCs which are due or planned for replacement on main lines are old-fashioned manual gates with crossing keepers attached. Not much to transfer there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,879 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Two automated LCs are scheduled to be outright closed on the Maynooth line with DART+; Blakestown and Barberstown.

    I suspect that planning, delivery of power and data networks (for the CCTV) to the site and construction costs make up more than the cost of the barriers and CCTV kit itself, in the costs of doing an automated conversion.

    They're also on relatively small roads; barriers to do a small L road won't be much use if its a wider road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    They’ll both do a lot to reduce journey times. It’ll remove the speed restriction for Blakestown, and allow up trains to maintain speed on approach to Barberstown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    General question here for those in the know. I regularly use the commuter train to Maynooth out of Connolly. It feels solid as rock..never swaying in the least. Whereas when I use the intercity train to take me to Hazelhatch out of Houston..the train seems to sway all over the shop. Am I imagining the difference or is there a technical reason for the totally different ride?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it could be the track out of heuston that is the issue but i don't know.

    swaying isn't something i have noticed on those trains but that doesn't mean something hasn't happened recently as i have not been about that direction for a while.

    i do know the loco hauled trains used on the cork services have some issues but the one and only time i travelled on those carrages i didn't notice it mind you i seem to have got a really slow running train that day.

    i'm sure someone will be on with an answer.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Try taking a 22k train on the same Maynooth trip and see how it compares for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,879 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The standard intercity units. As opposed to the 29000 commuter units most Maynooth services use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The intercity train you take from Hazlehatch, also does some Maynooth services. It would be a good way to compare.
    I’ve seen 29k commuter trains going through the phoenix park tunnel recently, but they won’t be letting passengers on to them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    When they have those commuter trains (29k) on long distance routes, they are pretty brutal when they go at full speed. Maynooth to Connolly, the train never goes very fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    So is it normal for these 22ks to sway like they do? Have any ever derailed ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,757 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It’s the 29k sets that sway, not the 22k sets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,379 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    22k's have yaw dampers so should not sway, 29k's do not so are interesting particularly in corners

    Out off Heuston its a 100mph railway, Maynooth is 70mph but rare to see that speed



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