Amazon WFH Policy

You can fight it also, some will be successful others not. Our mandated full RTO is being successfully pushed back on by some workers, being strongly enforced on some workers, and non-compliance being ignored for some (my current situation since the mandate in February this year). I am more confident that not when it comes to a head I will be authorised to be hybrid but ignoring as long as possible is better for now.

As for working from the office prior to the pandemic - it’s a different world now and things have changed both for people individually and also in the general attitudes to work. Our family life is now all arranged around fact one of us is WFH everyday and while we have no desire to change the setup it would be difficult even if we wanted to.

If it matters to you so little why keep responding? Its fair enough if you want to take it easy WFH and avoiding any extra responsibility but it does somewhat dilute your authority to speak on what makes a productive work environment, good management of staff etc.

In my opinion of course.

Grim for Amazon workers alright. I’m finding people I work with who have been WFH since 2020 mostly fulltime, have started to appreciate and look forward to meeting up in the office at least once a week - I’d hate 5 days a week but once every week and some weeks twice is my best ideal blend

The big challenge really is - if companies have massive buildings gathering dust Mon-fri coz all staff WFH, that’s where I’m seeing a more aggressive approach from employers to get all staff back near fulltime- I’m for going in voluntary every week 1-2 times - that will keep many execs happier - especially if they can see their offices buzzing with life most days

My payslip difference from experience working in Irish and large US companies, you can also see salary data on the likes of level.fyi and blind.

Ive worked pretty much remotely for 10 years now, after leaving a 5 day a week US multinational and theres isnt a hope Id do a job that requires 5 days in the office again. I go in for 1 day and thats plenty.

The big companies couldn't give two sh1ts about their employees and will sack/make redundant anyone they like at a drop of a hat after a bumpy quarter. Youre merely a $ sign on an excel sheet that can be deleted as the last round of redundancies at Intel, Dell, IBM et al proved. Reckless stuff.

Absolute nonsense.

Tesla have already eliminated dealerships when they started up and they’re selling like hotcakes.
if you price your product accordingly then they sell themselves.

Give it 5-10 years and you’ll see I’m right.

" I find it funny.

People who worked in office before the pandemic are making so many excuses in relation to not wanting to return to the office."

The fact that you write "excuses" instead of reasons is quite telling as to where you stand. And that's fine, you're entitled to that opinion, as are others.

If a company decides to bring everyone into the office - they can. It doesn't automatically mean they may have entirely valid reasons for doing so. And how many times is that decision the result of just one personality. The interesting part is when one company in a particular line of work wants it's employees to come in all week, whereas another company in entirely the same line of business, is more than happy to let it's employees work from home.

Why would you think your employer owes you are reason to return to office?

Bingo!

If it is written into your contract, people might have a case but everyone else which I would say is most people in these sectors won't.

It will be different for everyone of course, my point is that for the high paid jobs in these companies (alot of which are software engineer roles) the salaries are a lot higher and if you want a new job quickly then be prepared to take a big paycut. E.g. in US companies, a new grad will get €100k, someone with 10-15years experience is on about €200-250k. There are not many Irish companies paying more than €100k for any type of role today for engineers.

There maybe some on this money at these levels but it’s not the norm from my experience. The MNCs certainly pay well but grad developers on 40 - 50k would be more standard and people with experience in managerial roles probably in the 100 - 150k bracket including shares which are often a significant part of a pay packet as you move up the ranks.

When you move down from the mega corporations the pay in smaller MNCs can be very middle of the road also and bettered in smaller Irish firms.

In many cases its other less top level roles that really pay well in MNCs, people in maintenance technician roles, calibration etc can be on 100k plus with shift allowances etc are taken into account for what are often sitting around waiting for something to happen type jobs.

Yes, it is the FANNG companies that I'm referring to as per my original post, it's probably being lost though as the thread grows :) :

Digiman: "I don’t think the job market for folks in Amazon is all that great, sure you might get easily a job elsewhere but you will probably be taking at least a 50% pay cut unless you can land a job in the other large US companies like Google, Meta, Microsoft etc. and these companies have had a lot of layoffs in the last 18months and are not hiring that much at the moment."

I am sorry but I don’t believe you. For the same job, MNC don’t pay their employees twice the average market salary.