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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭grass10


    I wish you were right where I am anything reasonably good or better is min 400 an acre bad land is still less old leases are still 150 to 200 an acre but as the leases are being renewed they are all min 300 to 350 and they are being agreed with no outsider having an opportunity and offering to rent it but anything to let publicly is min 400 and auctioneers are not hyping up figures these are ego farmers bidding against each other in fact any auctioneer I've spoken to about renting land seem to be quite worried about whether some of these lads will continue paying for the duration of the leases

    A rough figure for 2 cuts of silage is 600 an acre plus rent of 400 is 1000 an acre to operate this extra land before anyone shoots me down about my figures their is huge variables in cost of making silage like distance from your yard for drawing slurry whether your paying a contractor etc

    I use the commercial lease register to find the real land rental figures and it's frightening what some people are paying now that's assuming they pay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Your 100 percent right lad seen a famer near me cut 3rd cut 10 ac between fert slurry after cutting harvest 5k he told me its also leased at 450 an acre so 6.5 k cost for 10 acres of crap silage lads need to cop themselves on it all ego like u say lads on here putting up silage results of 80 dmd 3rd cut its still crap silage cus i made and fed same before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Would it be a plan of some cute hoors to pay big money officially on long term leases with the landlord getting the money tax free and not effecting their own tax band situation. Then returning a portion back to the farmer in cash. The farmer paying the big money is using the big money paid to reduce their own tax situation whilst still receiving their money back in cash. The word is put out of the big money leases and it puts their more honest neighbours and competitors under pressure who they'd be hoping to profit from their downfall with less competition for land and possibly rent or buy the neighbours land. Auctioneers would then be none the wiser or possibly are but it's a short term gain and they see it as winner all around except for the honest renters who would be squeezed out of business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,219 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Not entirely this is just from memory. I think form 20+ straws they got 6-7 conceptions, but 5 were bulls and of the two heifers one was a half twin to one of the bulls.

    He was asked to print a retraction the following week and refused. The AI companies came out hard against it. The FI printed there own retraction tge following week stating it was OD opinion only. The FJ came out against his opinion as well.

    I think he won a settlement of the Indo in court afterwards and then a number of years later Teagasc advised clients not to use SS for a couple of years about 6-10 years ago.

    You could not make it up really it was so hilarious

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭yewdairy


    McDonnell's original article was about conventional semen and how it wasn't working on his farm. He was correctly pulled up on it, his suggestion was the product was faulty. The same semen was being used on thousands of farms successfully. The article was nonsense and probably libelous to the ai company supplying the semen.

    Progressive genetics then had a product female advantage which was rubbish and resulted in no greater percentage of heifer calves in comparison to conventional semen, they compensated farmers who used it, ourselves included.

    Sexed semen is a completely different product. Which none of the ai companies were too bothered about as there business model was very profitable. The initial teagasc trials were what pushed the ai companies to sex more of the bulls and the 1st sexing lab in Ireland was in Moorepark.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    He said it was much weaker than conventional as far as I remember.....which anyone who Is able to look outside the group think remembers. I do think he made a slip in something he said which was what they roasted him on to distract what he was telling people 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    The first actual sexed semen offering in this country was terrible very hit and missas a load of bulls which were fineuused conventionally but were a disaster sexed were pushed by ai companies. Brought the use to a shuddering halt for a few years ... both my ai men wouldn't sell it to me for a couple of years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    With all the talk and all the discussion and all the different points .......I'm going to make a prediction that if dero is retained at something around 200 I reckon that there will be a big push by teagasc towards a balancedcompactcowcapable of producing 7500- 8000litres which will push solids up towards 620 kg per cow (its only 20 years since it was last their policy). Now I know prediction is as good as a part in the wind 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭cosatron


    The problem with that will be that you will be in higher band with less cows that will not suit teagasc partners, like fertiliser companies, ai companies and some of the big farmers down south



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭straight


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    My therapy animals. Visit these girls every day for some therapy. They're getting a bit too black for my liking. I prefer a well marked friesian. They are doing way better on the out block seeing as they have better grass and more of it. Heifers on a milking block end up with the worst grass and are kept too tight in my experience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Dont knock the black. The blacker the better. Great bunch. The second heifer in the first photo is the one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭yewdairy


    There is a huge % of farmers who pay absolutely no attention to what teagasc icbf say about anything yet don't get anywhere close to producing 600 kg m/s. What's holding these farmers back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,353 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Ai companies are losing a packet on sexed semen. They're trying to predict what bulls will sell, get semen, get it sexed and then be left with the straws if the bull is ****



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,982 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    what’s to fear in higher band …once in it you drive on efficiently ….cant fathom some lads near top of middle band ….like quota days watching things like a hawk in November so they don’t go over ….what’s wrong with dropping a few goats …take a bit of pressure off and end up producing more milk with less cows ….leave Ai companies and fertiliser etc worry about themselves …..Tegasc don’t want anything to do with that model because they gone so far down promoting the kiwi model …..big big tweaks would be needed to advice and ebi etc etc



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    In the current system you may as well push to 10k litres once you go over 6300 litres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The thing is there are only a few farmers who can manage the high yielding cow, where any fool can work away with the middling one and let her sink or swim on grass. The same applies to the Teagasc managers themselves. Are they experts or ordinary joe's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭cosatron


    there is nothing to fear, with the help of god ill be in the top band in a couple years with less cows but teagasc dont want our type of cows jay and thats the reality. When you see them getting rid of the finest herd of cows i ever seen in Pallasakenry, for 300 high ebi you know they have no interest in developing and researching high production herds, before someone jumps down my throat i know about lyons farm but is that ucd moreso than teagasc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    Yes I agree with that but your still only going to be allowed a certain level of fertiliser and the organic fertiliser should be of a much better value than the slurry from the grass rats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    What ages are them straight 🤔 wouldn't be afraid of their colouring .… but each to there own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭straight




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    But if they sexed conventional proven bulls all would be good 👍 there would be no danger of **** bulls . The ai companies are hoovering up calves that may be some good and then they are sexing strws off a hair sample essentially and then they sell them to the lads who think this is great I'm getting in three generations ahead of the rest of then numptys I'm a genius......when in fact more often than not there destroying there base 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    And i think teagasc really want that place to fail......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    @ginger22 Joe's(patton) no ordinary joe he'll have you know 😏 joe knows best you know 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    No 8500 would be the sweet spot imo.……that's an average so you'll be above and below



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,982 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    always liked big strong black heifers ….not the hex type ones 😜😜🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,982 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    8/8500 is where I see the sweet spot too ….above that your into whole different ball game ….even getting to that 8/8500 isn’t that hard if gone about right way …..good solid genetics obviously but a very good eye for grass …and keeping it right …..forage be that grass silage ,maize ,whole crop….again quality …1.5/2 tonne in parlour or less if adding meal to buffer feed ….dosnt have to be complicated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ebi (cos its seeping into all the offering of the ai companies). Poor bull selection, messing,laziness, poor management,historical use of jersey bulls historical use of porr Friesian or holstein bulls. Or lads just not caring enough or any more. Take your pick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭green daries


    Great power inthem for their age will be nice when calved



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Is it a waste of time milking autumn calvers on just good silage and ration.nearly everyone tells me you must have maize for winter milk



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Feeding some bales to the milkers at home at milking time. They are 2nd cut off a field reseeded with red clover late last year and the red clover didn't take very well. I have noticed that the cows are separating out the red clover stems and refusing to eat them. Red clover another failed Green brain fart.



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