Amazon WFH Policy

I know one person whose office went 100% WFH, they quit and got a job working 100% in the office, because they preferred that.

Where I am some have chosen 100% in the office. Guess the people in Amazon won't get the option. Well other than not going back.

That they can create these stats means it is tracked. That's it's not being acted on its what I've been saying all along. If you think seeing someone in the office is a meaningful substitute your mistaken.

There are also statistics that show the majority of RTO mandates are primarily intended to get staff to leave.

What's interesting is that studies indicate it's usually the senior people and/or most experienced, skilled who leave.

You'll have to join the dots on that one.

I don't believe this.

People already said that there was no change of mandatory returning to office yet here we are.

i work for a company that gives no options, except during covid and as soon as it was over back to office.

as a manager some of my employees could be trusted completely but most i could not trust. Sad but true.

know people that work from home and

• clean house, put dinner on, pick up kids from school
• go swimming four days a week (and pretend they are on a short lunch)
• get a bit of gardening in, laundry on
• catch up on movies, etc
• turn computer on and have a hour breakfast, check work, have shower, check work etc.
• "start" work at 7.30 but really………..
• the list is endless.

as a manager, you allow one, you must allow all

if you allow them before they have children, you must continue it. becomes a hybrid child minding etc. no doubt. seen it, heard it, cant do two jobs.

the idea that people can force companies who pay them to allow them to work from home is entitled and stupid.

to find a company that works for you, and allows it, go for it

ironically i worked from home during covid, put in more hours , ate dinner whilst doing work, started earlier and later and generally they got a lot out of me. too much……. it was an emergency but if I had to do it, Id put better boundaries into place

Odd.

Large company, several thousand people, everyone had to work fully from home for 2 years. Aggregate KPI's showed no decrease in productivity. Management decided to keep the policy requesting employees come into office only one day per week (optional, not mandatory).

In my over 30 years as a civil servant, and a large team, I find that staff who are over-managed, or micro-managed, are those most likely to feel un-motivated and under-appreciated at work, and the least inclined to give their best to their work.

Maybe a different approach might improve service delivery. A little more carrot and a lot less stick.

hey good for you. sounds like you are doing a fantastic job.

also sounds like you think you know me and my staff. which you don't. so don't offer me management advice you know nothing about.

fact is if you find a job that allows WFH and you want that, or can manage that go for it.

until then, WFH is a great benefit to some people, but by no means should be viewed as an entitlement.

No, I don't know you, but I am familiar with people who share your mindset. You also assumed I had no public sector or service delivery experience, when I have decades worth.

I and everyone on my team still WFH. No one - at any level - is expected to WFO more than 2 days per week, and there is flexibility around that. If anything, since WFH was introduced both staff morale and service delivery has improved. We had to adapt fast during lockdown and new practices were developed and have been built upon since. We continue to be highly productive and if we weren't, I can assure you we'd soon hear about it.

And where did I say WFH was an entitlement? It is not. It does not form any part of the CS contract of employment - either pre or post pandemic. I actually mentioned specifically that WFH is role dependant.

I feel genuinely sorry for any staff in any workplace, either public or private sector, who have to work under managers who clock watch, micro-manage or who feel the only way to manage staff is to keep them on-site, because otherwise they can't be trusted.

I would run out of a place with that kind of culture. I certainly wouldn't be going the extra mile for them.

I wouldnt take management advice from someone who says they turned down a promotion (assume to management) as they didnt want the hassle.

Core learnings from this thread:

Managers have no idea what they are doing

People are way less productive in the office because …. disruptions

They can be 100% more productive while minding their kids, making their dinner, doing their chores

etc etc.

With all the time back and all the chores getting done and savings in childcare is it any wonder they are afraid of their lives to go back to the office?

accuse me of passive aggressive and then call me honey 🤣

I'm only relaying what you have said yourself, you 'declined' a promotion did you not?

totally agree.