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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I’ve made this comparison before, but the sake of repeating myself, I feel that compareing Trump to Hitler is giving Donnie far too much credit. For the moral bankrupcy and evil we know the Nazi leader for; Hitler was also able to actually direct his dictatorship to some degree. He drove it into the ground in the end, but he was at least doing that.

    No, I tend to compare Trump to another facist, I compare him to Vidkun Quisling.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling?wprov=sfti1#Arrest

    Quisling is an infamous Norwegian traitor who even for a time lent his name to be a synonym for “traitor” in the English language. What sets Quisling apart is how clear it was that his treason what almost entirely geared towards the goal of promoting himself. He took over the Norwegian equivalent of the Nazis with the apparent goal of being that party’s equivalent of Hitler. (Even styling himself as «Fører»). Ahead of the German invasion of Norway, Quisling shared Norway’s defence plans (he had worked in the defence ministry before) with the Nazies.
    On the day of the invasion he stormed the the national broadcaster and declared himself Prime Minister. However no-one really took him seriously. The German attempted to install him as the head of a puppet government in Oslo, but he wasn’t really that much use to them. Turns out he was full of talk, but pretty feckless. (Sound familiar?)

    When the Germans were defeated and Norway liberated, Quisling turned himself into the returning Norwegian authorities, fully expecting that he would be pardoned. In his mind his actions during the Occupation had in-fact saved the country, and expect that he’d be acquitted (maybe even thanked). However, the Oslo Government instead put him on trial, re-legalised the death penalty, had him shot, and the banned the death penalty again.

    Quisling was a feckless self-serving bell-end who had no problem with selling his own country down the river to facists in order make himself seem important. Trump has a lot more in common with that destructive loser than any other facist I feel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Raysin


    "He also states Trump is too passive to be fascist. He has shown little appetite for the kind of deliberate confrontation and mass mobilisation on which fascism depends".

    He states his opinion that he's too passive, but as far as his appetite for mass mobilisation goes, he seemed pretty hungry in the run up to, and day of, Jan 6. He was busy telling everyone to march and fight, then snuck off to watch them do the dirty work on TV.

    He's a fascist alright, he just hasn't had the chance to fully occupy the role yet, but if he does get that chance there will be no pretending he's anything else.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,923 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    "I will be a dictator on day one"

    Donald Trump, Dec 06 2023



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Trump is to lazy to be a fascist

    Not sure that is quite the win that @mister seems to think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,520 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yeah, to re-iterate, this is presented as some sort of exoneration of Trump:

    He is a real and present danger to the American republic and the wider world…

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,318 ✭✭✭blackcard


    'Interesting' that Trump calls Harris a 'fascist, radical far left, communist'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭scottser


    Trump lacks the ideology to be a textbook fascist. He's a me-feiner and a grifter, who whips up chaos to deflect from his scams. An 'enabler of fascism' is probably accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,418 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Like trump, too lazy to read the material.

    However, if "he won't actually do what he's shouting and screaming about" is what trumpers are falling to now, it's a good sign.

    But by that logic, they should vote for the DNC as they won't actually do what they said they would do and aren't horrible specimens for a human like trump is (and which they freely admit).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Don't bother trying the Dem cult is in full flow here. It's very weird.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    delete

    Regards,

    P.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Trump not be a fascist? He certainly is using the fascist playbook.

    He blames immigrants and Muslims for all of America's problems. He promises the return of a golden age that never existed. He dog whistles that the future will be white, conservative, straight, Christian, meat-eating only and anyone else is not invited to the party. I don't need to spell it out, but I will anyway, this is bad news for people of the "wrong" skin colour, religion, sexuality, gender identity, people with a progressive mindset, intellectuals, educated people, you get the picture.

    The people who go to Trump's rallies are no different to the people who screamed "Heil Hitler" at the Nürnberg Rallies.

    And the people who say he is not a fascist are basically using the argument "he's not an Austrian with a combover and a funny little moustache, so he can't be a Nazi".

    Trump may not have had classical fascist leanings, but he cannot resist the lure of the cult of personality that goes along with being a populist leader. He will enable any atrocity that allows him to hold on to power and he will have people around him who are only too happy to do that.

    Anyone who says Trump is in any way harmless is either a deluded fool or a willing enabler of fascism.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,318 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Grifters going to grift. 45 days before the presidential election, Donald has made the exciting announcement on Truth Social that 'silver' memorial coins of Donald J. Trump are available at the knockdown price of €100. You can add these to the Trump Bible and the Trump gold sneakers previously available.

    In a way, you have to admire how he mocks the stupidity of his supporters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Just needs the red noses to complete the ensemble



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's probably a fair observation. He's a full blown narcissist looking for more money and lots of adulation. It's likely he doesn't even particularly believe in a lot of his own policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump really going hard after the Female vote.

    Calls a female MSNBC host a bimbo, and says women these days are all unhealthy, not confident and depressed, and they won't have to think about abortions from now on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,877 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The only fit answer to give to Trumps latest publicity stunt statements is "BORING" on Bill Maher's show, the NYT and by women's groups. And when he responds with whatever statement, just reply "BORING" in capitals again…. Don't get angry, just keep ticking him off with the "BORING" response….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I can point you to historians such as Timothy Snyder who very much so views Trump as a threat to the future of the US. So Runciman is one voice but plenty of other experts would dispute it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,334 ✭✭✭trashcan


    It’s funny that of all the things said against him, the one that bothered him the most and really got under his skin is the suggestion that people were leaving his rallies early. You can call him a fascist and whatever else you like, but please don’t say he isn’t loved. His poor fragile ego can’t take it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,039 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Being called 'weird' was also something that made him seethe.



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    I'm betting on "I don't agree with everything in the article. I just thought that it was interesting."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,616 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Have we moved on from 'weird' already? It's hard to keep up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,520 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Runicman calls Trump a threat to the US repubĺic also... "a real and present danger."

    He is disputing whether he should be called a fascist or merely fascist enabler!

    So there is no question - multiple political experts and historians class Trump as a threat.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,652 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    In that article, Runciman mentions another historian, an expert on fascism, whose views changed from 'not a fascist' to 'fascist' after Jan 6.

    "But after the events of 6 January 2021, Paxton changed his mind. In Newsweek a few days afterwards he wrote, “Trump’s incitement of the invasion of the Capitol … removes my objection to the fascist label. His open encouragement of civic violence to overturn an election crosses a red line.” "

    Trump's lazy and dumb, which means he's not Hitler. But, I'm 100% certain there were lazy, dumb fascists in the Nazi party.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    There’s a case to be made that they were all lazy and dumb until Hitler infiltrated them as a police agent and saw an opportunity for power.

    Fascists aren’t very clever or creative. They just need one man to coalesce around who has some cunning and an idea how to make it happen. We saw exactly this with Trump. No one would vote for toads like Miller or Bannon. But they found the perfect front man for their disgusting ideology in Trump.

    Is a Trump a fascist? Probably not. But fascists will use him to get exactly what they want.

    Trump is a bigot though.

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    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,877 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I think it's been co-opted by Trump's team already…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,235 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    That can be summarized as 'Not a fascist - yet'

    Trump was not prepared in his first presidency, he didn't have full control of the GOP and didn't have the team in place he needed to implement his policies.

    Now, he has the SCOTUS, and he has weeded out the people who have even a hint of principle from his inner circle, he has been given a comprehensive manifesto in Project 25 and he will delegate its implementation to actual full on fascists.

    Trump showed his character in his first presidency but he was too disorganized to get much done. This time he's surrounded by like minded people who will be much much more dangerous

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Interesting article from the perspective of how much Trump seems to have become a diminished man. Guy attended two North Carolina rallies two years apart.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-rally-nc-policy-diminished-b2616818.html?utm_source=reddit.com



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