Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

That seems to havd been memory holed after Harris played Trump like a violin in the debate, and shock prepared for possible debate questions. It was always drivel given Harris background as a prosecutor and DA.

Now MAGA are reduced to whinging that Trump was fact checked more than her, ignorinh the stream of lies coming from Trump.

I get that history is full of such examples, but wouldn't count on these guys being big readers, so I'll forgive them missing that.

However, there are multiple examples in the last 4 years of this happening. Trump absolutely burns those near him, loyalty or no. How they can witness this first hand and yet delude themselves into thinking it won't be them, is proof yet again that it's a cult

You'd think he'd have learnt the first time.

Maybe he's setting the foundations for pleading insanity / mental incapacity and 'retiring' under medical care to one of his properties instead of prison. 😏

Some interesting polling data, for what it's worth

Fingers crossed this holds out to be true, or even better.

I genuinely believe that if he can't be beaten in November, with the baggage of COVID, his scandalous term, the court judgements, the upcoming cases, the republicans backing Harris, the car crash debate, the awful people he surrounds himself with, the awful stuff he said and continues to say, and the new found enthusiasm for Harris, then America truly deserves what it gets.

Definitely the kind of fella to piss on your back and tell you it's raining.

Whatever else about Rudy Giuliani and Mike Lindell, never let it be said that they're not experts in self-delusion.

Pennsylvania is worth almost a 40 point swing in the Electoral College. It's certainly not that it's essential in order to win the White House, but without it, your pathways to that destination suddenly dwindle and you have to knock off a number of other swing states that are currently at a dead heat, polling-wise.

A nice intellectual exercise, but what the debate proved is that Trump is a gibbering lying old c*nt with nothing vaguely resembling grasp of the truth and the worst POTUS candidate ever - worse than 2016 Trump by far. Whatever beancounting about statements during the debate, imo is irrelevant. Trump. Is. Nuts. Crazy. Gibbering. Howler-monkey-on-adderall. Absurd. Laughable. Demented.

Can't form a sentence, follow a thought, express facts. Nada. Zip. Might as well be a short-circuiting AI every time Trump opens his yap.

Interestingly, the betting markets in 2020 were illogically skewed towards Trump. Not to the point that he was favourite but that he was far shorter than the facts on the ground would have suggested.

My own amateur explanation for this was that most bettors are blue-collar males, who are likely to be emotionally as well as financially invested.

The maddest thing of all was that the Betfair market remained open for long after it was obvious that Trump had lost, and people continued to bet large amounts of money on him!

Like I said, nice intellectual exercise but pretty much irrelevant. Two choices: the bland chicken dinner, or a flaming bowl of burning sh1te mixed with broken glass. Which would you prefer?

I think we're in a place where we need to step back a bit from expecting to be disgusted or entertained our overawed by politicians.

What we want, is competence in a leader to identify the right people and enable them to manage sectors of governance appropriately. To that end, Biden has been close to excellent (I'll never forgive him for Gaza). How many of his secretaries have been in the news for drama, or for having been replaced, or having resigned etc. They've mostly got on with the job in a professional and competent manner. And isn't that what good leadership should be?

Trump (and similar in the UK) changed the expectation to be about visual performance more that capability and the role of leading such influential countries should never be like that.

I'm hoping if Harris wins she can adopt a similar approach of being a manager first and see being a communicator as a lesser albeit existing responsibility.