Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

RickBlaine · 13-09-2024 11:14AM

I see in the MAGA corners of Twitter, people are posting AI generated images of Musk and Taylor Swift having a baby together. And these are the clowns who don't like being called weird.

Oscar_Madison · 13-09-2024 11:18AM

Sorry Donald- it’s not the immigrants eating cats- it’s your own fellow country women doing it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13844919/bodycam-eating-cat-Ohio-trup-pets.html

Overheal · 13-09-2024 11:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611441#Comment_122611441

did you read the post? If you did you’d know that wouldn’t be some gotcha moment…

Akrasia · 13-09-2024 11:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611134#Comment_122611134

One reason, is that the judge, being a human with human hubris and frailties, might be cowed by the 'gravity' of potentially disrupting an imminent election. And the likelihood that their action could foment civil unrest up to and including riots around the country, and could also put their own selves, and potentially their family at risk given that they would become immediate targets for some of the craziest and most conspiracy driven gun toting nutcases in the U.S (and it's a very high bar to break into the elites of that group)

Boggles · 13-09-2024 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611474#Comment_122611474

If Harris wins, Trump is officially a serial loser.

Republican Politicians will hitch their wagon to Satans horse if it meant political or personal gain for them.

But no politician will be backing a serial loser if the consequences for them is negative.

Trump is also 78 years of age, he will be 82 before the serious campaigning for the next POTUS comes around.

IF he loses and incites another violent coup or riot he has zero potential protections this time.

In the next few years he will be fighting multiple criminal cases and any new ones that may arise.

If the polls widen especially in the key states you will see the rats abandon him.

They have spent all week on the networks hilariously explaining his car crash debate performance, if you are explaining you are losing.

Boggles · 13-09-2024 11:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611489#Comment_122611489

He didn't have any focus before that though. The focus was supposed to come after that, it lasted 4 minutes.

To be fair to him, which he doesn't deserve.

It is remarkable given he was very close to being murdered that he continues at all, especially the same as before.

He is probably too stupid or his ego won't let him develop PTSD.

everlast75 · 13-09-2024 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611590#Comment_122611590

What probably rattles him more is that no one gave a sh1t.

aloyisious · 13-09-2024 11:54AM

Re the way the poll results are running, can some-one refresh my memory on the name of the pro-GOP expert who said two days ago that Trump was losing in the polling race against Harris and probably has lost the election?

everlast75 · 13-09-2024 11:55AM

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I understand where you are coming from, but for me, I don't see it.

Comparing and contrasting how he was in 2015, compared to how he is now, he is visibly slower, more incoherent, more prone to mispronouncing words, even falling asleep at his trial.

He is under a tremendous amount of pressure, in terms of running for presidency, batting off his legal woes, Melania seems to have lost all pretence of being with him, even after he was shot at.

He proxies are becoming more and more vocally unhinged, as had he, his crowds are dwindling.

If he loses again in November, the power he brings, as a possible future POTUS, is gone. He will be a two time loser, approaching 80, and the cases will begin to strike home. We have already seen some of his chosen nominees being rejected at the ballot box.

I can imagine old school Republicans starting to gather after November, saying the american people have rejected MAGA twice and it's time to re-organise in order to take on Harris et al.

I can see his invites to tv shows, to rallies becoming less and less frequent.

Akrasia · 13-09-2024 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611441#Comment_122611441

Well, 2 months from now is still November and Harris isn't gonna be the actual president until next Jan..

Biden won't get any SCOTUS nominee through now, he's firmly into lame duck territory, but Harris will have a fresh mandate and hopefully both houses of government.

(I don't think any of it will happen either. I think the first part absolutely should happen. There is no good reason to continue to allow the SCOTUS to be hijacked by trump's appointees for any second longer than it needs to be)

briany · 13-09-2024 12:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611669#Comment_122611669

I mean, yeah, although what's to stop every incoming president from now on adding more and more justices in order to rebalance the court until you have to get a legal opinion from dozens of them?

growleaves · 13-09-2024 12:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611354#Comment_122611354

That's not how Constitutional government works.

Can Michael D. Higgins or Simon Harris order AIB and BOI to empty your bank accounts and deposit the money into someone else's account?

aloyisious · 13-09-2024 12:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611354#Comment_122611354

Joe to rub it in by signing an executive order to the effect that 75 would be the upper age a person could start a run for the presidency from, as an official presidential act of course, which the younger generations of voters would approve of.

Quin_Dub · 13-09-2024 12:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611682#Comment_122611682

Well no.

But then the Irish Supreme court hasn't said that the President/Taoiseach have absolute immunity from Prosecution for "official acts" either.

The (tongue in cheek) point being made is that given the utterly nonsensical ruling by SCOTUS , Biden could in fact seize all of Trumps assets and/or have him arrested under terror legislation by calling him a "threat to National security" and there's not a thing that could be done about it.

It won't happen because Biden isn't a Dictator , but SCOTUS have made it such that a Dictator could do all those things , which is why Trump not winning this election is so vitally important.

13-09-2024 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611567#Comment_122611567

The judges family has already been intimidated by right win loons, and that is why he left the gag order in place with regard that all court staff and their families.

Akrasia · 13-09-2024 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611678#Comment_122611678

There are SCOTUS reforms that the POTUS can implement with the help of Congress

They can impose age limits, they can impose term limits and they can increase the panel of judges.

All of these could be done to redress some of the long term consequences of the court packing that Trump has done in his 4 year term that are having real and drastic consequences on American democracy

The argument that 'but then the next president will just increase the panel again" while technically true, doesn't mean that Trump or Trump version 2.0 wouldn't do that anyway, precedent or no precedent.

Trump and the GOP already broke precedent when they blocked Obama's court appointments in the final year of his term, and then pushed through 3 appointments of his own, including in his last year in office.

The GOP made the SCOTUS nakedly political. if the DNC wants to redress this, they need to reform it, and this requires expanding the panel at least temporarily

Boggles · 13-09-2024 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611682#Comment_122611682

I presume if you have immunity you can do what you want.

Akrasia · 13-09-2024 12:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611682#Comment_122611682

Not in Ireland, but POTUS in the US has sweeping powers in an emergency to do things by executive order.
Biden could declare an emergency, or implement an executive order to seize all of Trumps assets the same way he could of any enemy of the state. Let the courts worry about how legal it is afterwards, Biden would be immune as judged by Trump's SCOTUS decision.

Harris then, would need to use a reformed SCOTUS to overturn that ridiculous decision and stop the POTUS from being above the law. In order to get that decision before the SCOTUS, a there would need to be a challenge, so Biden doing something against Trump would provide the precedent Harris would need to have the ruling overturned.

Perfect Symmetry in my fantasy island parallel universe where there actually was justice in this world.

13-09-2024 12:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611750#Comment_122611750

Yep that's about it. This will come back to bite the GOP.

Just shows what allowing low grade judges onto the supreme court results in.

No politician should have any impact on who gets selected to the supreme court - it's a receipt for absolute dysfunction.

odyssey06 · 13-09-2024 12:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611655#Comment_122611655

Frank Luntz?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4875745-frank-luntz-donald-trump-kamala-harris-debate/

Leroy42 · 13-09-2024 12:43PM

So the fallout from the debate continues.

Far from Trump, who had experience on his side, coming out on top, he was soundly beaten and now is showing just what a coward he is by confirming that he no longer wants any future debates despite previously stating that he wanted, nay the country needed, at least 3 debates.

His cowardly running away is probably as damaging as the car crash debate performance.

Trump had all the advantages coming into the debate. Harris was seen as robotic, couldn't talk off script, had no policies, had been soundly beaten in 2020 debates, and was a last-minute candidate change. Trump had done 7 of these previously and had been part of the agreement of the rules in setting them up. Trump also has craziness built into his value so people are judging him at a much lower level than they were going to judge Harris. Any major slip by Harris and it was game over.

Despite all of that Trump visibly crumbled on that stage. He didn't want to shake her hand and never looked over at her. He was completely intimidated and outmatched by a far better opponent. He looked old, angry and with his lines about Dawgs and rallies, sounded like an old man out of ideas.

It as said previously, but the decision to agree to the June debate will go down as one of the worst decisions in political history. His glee at the car crash performance by Biden only exacerbated his stepping out of the race and now Trump is facing an opponent clearly too good for him.

Whether all that results in him losing, well I wouldn't bet on that. US politics is so far beyond crazy that it is impossible to say

Quin_Dub · 13-09-2024 12:45PM

Trump is going to force a Government shut-down.

He really doesn't understand how Government works , nor does he care about anything other than himself.

He knows that the Democrats will never allow the nonsense that is the "SAVE" act to go through , but he needs to have it floating out there so he can blame "the illegal immigrant voters" for his election loss.

He doesn't care that a shut down will cost the GOP multiple House and Senate races.

On another note - There should be a "Godwins 3rd law" that says that "any legislation that has a tortured silly name so they can spell out a word is going to be stupid and probably racist"

Overheal · 13-09-2024 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611655#Comment_122611655

Frank Lutz

briany · 13-09-2024 01:12PM

The Trump campaign did not know about the extent of Biden's decline. There is no way in hell that they would have agreed to that debate had they known this. I presume their strategy was that the June debate was far out enough that it could be forgotten about if it went badly for Trump, keeping the option of a September debate, if necessary.

Quin_Dub · 13-09-2024 01:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122611926#Comment_122611926

You are probably right.

Trump has now had two catastrophic Debates this cycle albeit for very different reasons.

The Biden debate was ultimately a disaster for Trump as it facilitated the replacement of Biden with Harris , which simply would not have happened otherwise.

With Harris now in situ , he struggled badly to find a new rhythm having thought that he was coasting to victory so he started flailing about looking for something that might stick and began listening to utter lunatics like Laura Loomer leading him to last Tuesday night where his campaign was badly holed below the water line by friendly fire.

Once again , Trumps ego , hubris and basic stupidity are likely to lose him an Election that he probably should have won handily (which in itself is a shocking indictment of American society).