Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

LoL german leftists panicking as they're power is under threat from the AFD.

We need this everywhere, the level of migration is utterly sickening. All done for ngos to rake in money nothing to do with nessessity nor compassion. Just social science graduates trying to make earners for themselves.

I bet the governments despise the fact people can vote. Similarly to labour uk reaction to brexit. Total frothing at the mouth bile.

The biggest facilitators of ultra right wing parties coming to power are the previous governments and their ultra liberal policies on immigration.

We are far closer to this happening in Ireland because Fianna Gael have never stuck to the proper rules on Immigration. I.e, to claim assylum, you need to have proof that you are actually fleeing war and you need papers and a passport to prove who you are. And then you need to be deported if your claim for asylum fails.

Only 1% of FAILED asylum seekers are currently deported from Ireland. So to all intents and purposes we have an international open border. If the whole world wanted to come into Ireland, they could.

Let that sink in.

Very interesting podcast with Mandy Johnston's guest Katja Hoyer (The Guardian) re how the AfD did so well in Germany recently.

1st item -

https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/why-the-position-off-the-suns-af-ZGM2N2I4ZDFlYjhkYjFiNGMzOTlhNDJkZGRhODI0MjI%3D

It seems Germany's 'scatter them everywhere' policy didn't go down too well - Sound familiar?

Another piece by the Guardian where they do what the Guardian do - 'OMG, Far right everywhere!' - Now, having said that, I do have a soft spot for the Guardian - I would've sat on a tube train many a morning on the way to work with the broadsheet proudly displayed…but that was then.

The basic message I'm getting and feeling is, that you can only s**t on people from so high and for so long before it backfires spectacularly - If you keep pushing and pushing, something will give. Successive governments have known for a long time that the Irish electorate are actually a bit thick and are seemingly bound by this lifelong party loyalty irrespective of the fact that their continued support of one of 'the two', will likely change this country forever and not in a good way.

When I say the Irish electorate are a bit thick, it's only on certain matters - let's take the hypothetical example of Mary voting in the EU elections -

Well Mary, did you vote in the EU elections?

I did of course - I was on my way to the bingo and I dropped into the school and gave that dancing girl off the telly a vote…see seemed nice.

This is the same Mary that just a few months previously, exercised Machiavellian levels of guile and cunning ensuring that the 1.5 acres, that was 100% guaranteed to go to her neighbour, ended up in her land portfolio.

Welcome to Craggy Ireland

Craggy Ireland doesn't have an AfD party or anything like it, or even a credible opposition party of any hue for that matter - I think the only way to achieve the same dramatic turnaround that the AfD have caused in German policies recently, is to cram Leinster house with independents in the GE - This should result in complete chaos and another GE called within a few months

Whether or not I believe in deportations has very little to do with it.

The facts are that it's extremely difficult to deport people, and expecting it to happen on any scale is entirely unrealistic.

When people talk about the pressures on housing and services coming from immigration it's hard to understand why there's so much focus on IPAs. Personally I think a lot of it is fear-mongering from the populist press and social media, coupled with good ol fashioned racism and xenophobia. Hard to see why else people would be so concerned about the relatively very small number of IPAs we have living in Ireland.

And that there, is why the status quo will never be broken. You're more afriad to stand shoulder to shoulder with the man who has similar opinions to you, because of some sort of classist bs. Maybe the 3 other people around you at a protest are a homeowner, a businessman, and a grandmother. All 5 of you are there for the same reason.

Unfortunately the government know a lot of Irish think like this and will continue to do what they like.

26 plus 20

How did he come by Germany and UK with no ID?

When I had to get sick pay when off work, I was put through some hoops by DSP to finally get pay help

But you also want to complain about people living in tents?

I'd think you'll have no problem finding things to be outraged about for the foreseeable future.

Semantics, but by all means deflect away.

I've tried to understand how you guys see things, maybe you can explain to me?

It's seems Rodric O'Gorman is some kind of evil mastermind, in cahoots with the hoteliers and ngos, and with control over the MSM, academia, and several arms of government.

But I'm also led to believe there's some kind of deep-state conspiracy across the EU?

It would help greatly if you guys could explain your beliefs a bit more thoroughly.

So your answer to all this is to start putting people in prison and deporting them.

Are you aware how difficult it is to deport people? What's your solution for overcoming this?

And where are these prisons? What do you expect the cost to be of imprisoning all these people? What will you do with families and children?

And how do you propose dealing with the international aspect of all of this? If harsher measures here push people towards other EU countries, how do we deal with the consequences of that, or do you not think this would happen?

You've complained about being patronised so please provide some detailed realistic answers, and not the same old simplistic sloganeering we've heard again and again from anti-immigration posters on here.