Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594676#Comment_122594676

Ignore the fact that many do not have proper English and require more attention .

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594741#Comment_122594741

Jesus, which is? First asylum seekers are responsible for all these restaurants closing down and tourism being decimated and now we're being told we've too many restaurants as it is. 😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595057#Comment_122595057

Huh? Anyone from the EU can come and work in Ireland. Do you think Polish and other Eastern Europeans are all working as doctors and engineers? 😂 I've some magic beans to sell you if that's the case.

People in this thread want immigrants out as well. Hence the reason they keep complaining about the negative impacts on housing, GP waiting lists, schools, hospitals etc.

Low income employment can easily be solved by higher minimum wage. But then we'd have the same poster in here blaming that for destroying our restaurants and local businesses. Can't win.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595316#Comment_122595316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595615#Comment_122595615

How can all these military aged young men be responsible for taking up primary school places and teachers time? A

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594741#Comment_122594741

Same goes for Turkish barber shops, which strangely seem to be always empty.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595316#Comment_122595316

all men, all young men

You have a cheek accusing others of disingenuous nonsense.

CollyFlower

It should br argued, debated, without using the words Far Right /Far Left, more should be done to address the root causes of the homeless, crime and the healthcare system, without name calling. And I'm fed up hearing the words "fulfilling our international obligations".

Our government hasn't got any backbone and the opposition are the same.

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595727#Comment_122595727

I'm not surprised "Huh" is your answer if you can't differentiate between people with a right to work and freedom of movement - EU citizens and skilled immigrants and asylum seekers who are neither

You're conflating two seperate subjects once again. You are either doing it on purpose to deflect from the weakness in your argument or lack the intellect to understand the difference

EU citizens have the aforementioned right to work and freedom but do not have a right to social assistance. They can be removed if they are unable to support themselves and have not worked in 90 days. They also can be removed for security, health or other policy reasons. This is also the case for skilled work permit holders.

The above ensures only those who will respect and contribute to society can come, it protects us, them and the integrity of freedom of movement

Contary to popular belief we can forcibly remove an EU citizen who has for example a violent assault, rape, murder conviction or war crimes (former Yugoslav states; Ukraine upon presumptive accession)

Bizarrely this means the restrictions on Irish and EU citizens is far higher than upon (fake) asylum seekers who by definition and origin have an astronomically higher likelihood of being a violent criminal, rapist, murderer or war criminal

They also don't need to provide ID, a background check is near impossible, they gain labour market access within 6 months, they gain social assistance and housong access immediately and there are no security restrictions upon them

A most extreme, bizzare and dangerous situation

There are provisions in our statue book that would allow us to detain anyone who entered the state without documents or to claim asylum until such time as the security of the state (and it's citizens) were not at risk

We could very easily do this in the curragh with the assistance of the army but we don't and this is a political decision at cabinet level.

It may not be explicitly policy but it most definitely is policy to allow asylum seekers unfettered access to the state

Along with this Minister McEntee is by some margin the poorest Minister for Justice we have had certainly in my career of 35 years and it started with the arrogant and corrupt Raphael 'Ray' Burke

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595768#Comment_122595768

And never accept card, laundromats the lot of them

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596388#Comment_122596388

Might be something of an urban myth. Journalists who have investigated this say the overwhelming number of barber shops, car washes, tanning salons etc in the UK are likely to be legitimate. They say the 'real' money laundering is going on through banks, bureaux de change and cryptocurrency, often involving our old friends, the Russians.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594718#Comment_122594718

What war are the majority who enter fleeing in the UK?

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596608#Comment_122596608

Can you give links to these reports, your post is meaningless if we can't look at what you are telling us.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596044#Comment_122596044

Huh? You can't ever seem to remember what you've posted one post previously.

We don't allow in low income immigrants, we only allow in skilled net contributing immigrants

That's what you said and you are completely wrong. We do allow low income migrants in. Stop pretending that every person working here from eastern Europe is a doctor or engineer.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596953#Comment_122596953

These articles explain how it happens in the UK and the various methods that are used. But as can be seen, the high street criminal money laundering businesses (which are undoubtedly a real phenomenon) are only one small element in the overall money laundering picture.

https://www.amlrightsource.com/news/what-is-money-laundering-and-how-is-it-done-part-1

https://www.amlrightsource.com/news/what-is-money-laundering-and-how-is-it-done-part-2

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122597153#Comment_122597153

Admittedly i only scanned through those on my lunchbreak.

A poster talked about shops being used to launder money, you said the below.

Might be something of an urban myth. Journalists who have investigated this say the overwhelming number of barber shops, car washes, tanning salons etc in the UK are likely to be legitimate.

I don't see anything about what you claimed in those links, maybe I overlooked?

If not then it seems to me you are trying to downplay illegal activities?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122597263#Comment_122597263

Surely that poster should be able to support their claims about these shops?

Otherwise it's just the same hateful made up rhetoric that we see around 'bogus' asylum seekers, 'safe' countries and people not contributing.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594763#Comment_122594763

I am just curious that the idea of a low paid underclass operating in a wage stagnation environment, seems to be the end goal that is being promoted.

I have seen the same implied reason for supporting all this put forward quite a bit, and even got a warning for a post calling it out a few weeks ago (admittedly the post could have been more delicately worded).

Whether the posters pushing this understand what they are going to create is another matter - all I know is that a few years ago, even the most rabid advocate of unfettered capitalism would be reluctant to voice such a view. Now it appears that it is a logical policy for those who believe they are caring and on the Left.

When did the turnaround take place.

2Mad2BeMad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122597621#Comment_122597621

Dont know if you've ever been on Moore street, has to be at least 7 of them on that street alone.

I seen 'staff' go between each of them through out the day.

Definitely dodgy and that along with all the other shite along the street has destroyed it

DebDynamite

Is there no one asking questions in the IPO, or do they just take everything these poeple say at face value, no proof of anything required. This fella is no more 26 years of age! Good on the guard, at least someone’s calling out the madness.

https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/asylum-seeker-who-claimed-to-be-26-arrested-for-failing-to-prove-his-identity/a1550647124.html

Kermit.de.frog

Interesting moves for Germany

https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1833214295192088943

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1833155624718262312

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122597263#Comment_122597263

The criminality may well be going on and I'm not denying that barber shops and nail salons might be used to launder money, but the numbers of people involved must be relatively small. The overwhelming number of migrant workers in Ireland have PPS numbers (and national insurance numbers in the UK) and are paying taxes.

When I say urban myth, I mean the amount of non nationals involved in criminal gangs or criminal enterprise / fraud must be very much on the small side. Ditto with Irish people, there can't be that many involved in the 'black economy' these days or doing nixers, not with the country at full employment.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598731#Comment_122598731

Once again you are conflating "migrant workers" with what we are discussing here - refugees, fake IPA claimants and the like.

No one has a problem with workers from overseas, but you know this.

Gamergurll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598427#Comment_122598427

The left are rooting for slave labour, we have entered the Twilight zone

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598669#Comment_122598669

this and orban saying he’ll hire buses and land the illegals in Brussels .meanwhile here in la la land welcome the world with no papers

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598964#Comment_122598964

the warnings have been there, the lessons and case studies were avaliable for all to see, yet our lot are too arrogant and think they know better and can buck the trend.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594718#Comment_122594718

The key weakness with this argument is the phrase "fleeing war and persecution".

We have known for years that the vast majority of AS are not fleeing war and persecution.

That is the whole point of the opposition to them. They are not genuine, they are actually economic migrants.

They themselves often admit this, and the Ministers have stated it, over and over.

I sometimes think the AS, even though they are bogus and often illegal immigrants, are sometimes more honest than their supporters here.

Their supporters here, e.g. Labour / SocDems, some elements within SF, NGOs, etc. repeatedly lie, for example Sinead Gibney during the European elections, and many more like her.

Whereas Newstalk or RTE have interviewed Egyptian bogus AS who say "I am here for a better life".

And who could blame him.

Is there war in Albania, Georgia, the USA, South Africa?

No.

All the AS from these places are bogus.

They should be processed, not in 68 weeks, but in 68 hours, and sent home.

Geuze

See ESRI Research Series 72, June 2018

See section 3.4

50% of all AS were from Bangladesh and Pakistan

If they are really fleeing persecution [hint: they aren't] ask yourself why did they come all the way here?

It turns out that in fact, they arrived from the UK. They already had visas in the UK.

They are bogus AS, like the majority of AS.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599072#Comment_122599072

I feel like I should state the obvious here, just in case.

But when they say fleeing war and persecution, it very much can be one or the other.

The country the person is leaving doesn't have to be at war.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599140#Comment_122599140

We could all be alive and dreaming or dead and remembering but I personally work on the principle that I am alive and conscious.

Headshot

Absolutely sickening what our country is becoming

This government has so much to answer for and in years to come people will look back and say this is when Ireland lost its way. For me this is right up there with the recession of 2000s, a deeply tragic event and brought the country to it's knees.

This absolute blight is going create a far right party, we see European countries are heading this way and front and center is immigration. Ireland will be no different but due to Ireland being on the edge of Europe it's slower to change.

https://gript.ie/kilrush-residents-say-they-are-disgusted-by-ipas-silence-over-new-centre-for-male-asylum-seekers/

I **** despise this with it with all my heart

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598669#Comment_122598669

But but but “international obligations”

Wont someone think of the left wing nutters

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122597113#Comment_122597113

Huh indeed

You originated this subtext by trying to defend (fake) asylum seekers negative cost to society and by defending the near slave labour of the roles they take up

You also tried to conflate generic 'immigrants' as obfuscation and to try and deludedly attach equivalency.

I pointed out we allow in only those who will contribute with regard skilled immigration (there are specified income limits) and EU citizens even though they are both distinctly different categories to (fake) asylum seekers

Further with your disreapect for Polish and accession state citizens they are specifically bound by not being able to seek social assistance and must be able to support themselves or leave

It would be best it you familiarised yourself with the freedom of movement conditions

Allowing the creation of a massive poorly educated, illiterate, employer exploited underclass because of the 'feelings' of the Minister for Justice will destroy communities and sow permanent divisions within society