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ESB eCars

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,957 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    eGolf will charge DC fast to about 85% then slow down. So if charging on a journey you'd charge at 20% and stop at 85% then repeat at the next charger.

    You'd only go to 100% before a long journey or if you really needed it. Because 85-100% will take a lot longer.

    Interestingly...

    ABRP tells me the eGolf should do Cork to Dublin with two 30 mins charging stops. Total Journey time of 3hrs 30 Mins approx.

    Doing it at 100kph ABRP suggests same 3:30 journey but one stop of 40 mins. At 80kph its 3:45 and one stop at 26 mins. I expect it would impossible to stay at 80 even if you wanted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭denismc


    Was in the Crescent shopping centre in Limerick at the weekend, what a terrible layout, you have to navigate through a busy car park and the charging spaces are tiny.

    Also it was the first time in over 2 years that I found a faulty charger, I won't be charging there again unless I am really stuck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,870 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The last time I was there one of the chargers was shown as faulty on the app but it worked with the ecars card. It took until the following day before the money was taken from my account mind so I assume it's an intermittent networking issue. The layout is probably designed to stop ICEing and it does this successfully although I agree the spaces are very narrow

    One thing I can't get working on this and other chargers is the credit card readers. This is whether I use the credit card, debit card, revolut card, or any of these through Android Pay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The spaces are narrow in Blanch as well which is the same layout I think

    I wonder if they're trying to avoid using up existing spaces, the old layout typically turned 10-12 regular spaces into 8 charging spaces. Now it seems to be 8 from 8 spaces

    Of course there's rarely a shortage of space at the petrol pumps, funny how they aren't shoving all those into a corner 😑

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Had the advantage of encouraging EVs to take every second space if there's any sharing of charging capacity.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Petrol Pumps tend to be built on land owned by the petrol pump owner. I think all DC charging spaces should be built to the same standard as a disabled parking space. That way we don't have to muck around with some space flagged for disabled drivers and they're all built with accessibility in mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think they need to be deconflicted from ice cars. Be that segregated or whatever.

    Also need some legislation to prevent them being ICed not only by ICE vehicles but also EVs from blocking them. Tough love.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭Bannerman1969


    Often wonder would the current Section 51A Road Traffic Act cover Iceing

    A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without reasonable consideration for other persons using the place

    . (2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence. 

    I think it's an €80 fine with points also.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Isn't it already illegal? Enforcement seems to be the main problem

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Could have done with that in Westport last weekend. There are 3 CCS chargers in a town centre car park (two ESB and one EasyGo, the other EasyGo is chademo). I plugged into one of the ESB CCS and noticed that the car beside me, although an EV, wasn't plugged in. The EasyGo was occupied by an ID.4. I saw at least three EVs come looking for a charging spot and have to leave, and I was only there for a few minutes. When I came back to the car park the driver was in the car studiously avoiding eye contact with anyone. A Model 3 came into the car park, stopped and asked the driver if he would mind moving; he explained that he couldn't because he had a puncture and was waiting for someone to come and repair it. At that I stopped my charge early so the Tesla could plug in.

    There are those who might sympathise, but I'm not one of them. It wouldn't have destroyed his tyre to drive a few short metres to a vacant parking space instead of inconveniencing several EV drivers in a tourist town on a weekend in summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭CivilEx


    There is one other 150kW CCS / CHAdeMO nearby at the train station in Westport that I have used a few times. The ESB / EasyGo location is always busy and there tends to be a fair amount of ICE'ing there, particularly on Friday / Sat.

    https://www.plugshare.com/location/535968



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I do sympathise with the puncture, drivers might be paranoid about damaging their wheels even moving a short bit. Bad luck that it was at the charger

    Drivers really need to be more prepared and not dependent on roadside assistance. A decent compressor could probably have gotten enough air in the tyre to get to a tyre repair shop, failing that some tyre plugs would probably work as a temporary fix

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A compressor is handy thing to have in the boot. And you can pump someone else's tire with it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    What a muppet. Surely an ID.4 comes with a compressor in the boot if the tyre was that flat that they couldn’t move off the charge point ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Nope, a lot of them have self sealing tyres which means VW doesn't supply a tyre repair kit

    ID cars also have roadside assistance which according to VW is because people don't want to fix a puncture 🤷‍♂️

    Of course there's a limit to the self sealing tyres, as I discovered to my dismay on holiday a couple of years ago.

    So that's why I went and got tyre plugs and a heavy duty compressor, the cheap AA kit one I got just doesn't seem to work very well

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    If it was me I'd have offered to pump up the guys tyre. Only partly so he'd stop blocking the charger 😂

    A lot of people don't know and don't want to fix a puncture though. They're convinced the car will explode or something so wait for roadside assistance instead

    And before everyone chimes in with their expertise of tyre repair, remember this is a forum for motorheads and might not be representative of the average road user 😉

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    I'm wondering would he have sat at a traffic light with a puncture waiting for a repair? I'd file it under the same attitude I've seen where some EV drivers park at chargers without plugging in, as if they were "EV parking spaces", not charging bays.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,041 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Buckley213


    Just wanted to check. Charged my car at an esb charging point in Ballindine for 38km just to get me home and it cost €20.26. I'm normally an easy go charger and there super fast chargers are way cheaper than this. Any ideas why this was so expensive. I didn't have a card so just used my debit card. Was I charged something for using the debit card instead of esb card



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    How long were you charging for? It sounds like you triggered the overstay fee. The eCars fast chargers have 50c/minute fee that's applied after 45 minutes.

    What car do you drive, and which connector were you using?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭MarkN


    it’s been a while since I needed to use it but what’s the story with ecars just taking out the 22kW at The Mayson on North Wall Quay?! Pulled up at 6am today to use it and there’s a pay and display machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    That was a construction site until recently wasn't it? I remember trying to use it and is was blocked by vans

    I think the Ecars rule is to either replace the AC chargers with DC or just not replace them if they break

    They've been saying for ages that public AC isn't economical (because of their own idiotic rules) and been trying to get rid of AC chargers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,870 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Cost of ecars AC 52c/kWh

    Cost of EI home charging 25.08c/kWh (24 hour rate)

    So they are profitable on the lower rate but not when they charge double that rate? Hmm…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Splitting hairs it's all esb group no?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Absolutely not splitting hairs. It's all ESB group, yes, but you don't offset ESBn costs against Electric Ireland, for isntance. ESBI investments don't impact Eirgrid. It's all the same group but there are rules for vertically integrated energy companies.

    Ecars have more costs (hardware, software, staffing etc) to offset on a per transaction basis than EI or other group companies, and they have a smaller user base to offset these costs, and they have to account for very expensive (relative to standard supply) capex too. If you have 50-150k per DC charger and 2-5k to install AC chargers, vs none of that (for EI) to offset for domestic supply. It's clearly not apples and apples. EI are a supply company, and their biggest expenditures will be on CRM, staffing, and stuff like that. The big capex goes to the DSO and TSO predominantly. But these costs make up the charges from ESBn to the supply companies, who then "resell" the electricity at a profit to the end customer.



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