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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    So they'll just have the caricatures of the two families, without the questions about which is the most inclusive and which family you'd rather belong to...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The thing is, the vast majority of parents don't appear to have been outraged by the content so maybe you're in the minority of people who is that upset by it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    It doesn't surprise that Grift would position themselves as defenders of child rape. I can see their position getting significant support from their readers as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Well, to have human biology replaced by a non scientific ideology is crazy, isn't it?

    I think its also dangerous telling kids they may be in the wrong body, and they may even be the wrong sex to the one that was "assigned" to them (whatever that means)? It's a dangerous road to take children down if you ask me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    But transgender people have existed before schools started educating children about the existence of transgenderism. So if people, without this education, feel like they are in the wrong body, maybe it's a thing that people feel and needs to be supported?

    Trans people exist. Non binary people exist. Whether we educate our youth about this or not will not change that fact. But educating our youth will allow them to be better prepared should they meet a trans person, or if they themselves may be trans themselves. It will not turn a non trans person into a trans person.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,524 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I’d imagine the community notes were wild? 😁

    Couldn’t get it out of me head all day, you know what I’m like, but when I was looking for that ad last night on YouTube, I browsed through a few more of their ads, and came across this absolute belter 😂

    I’ll admit I heard nothing about it before last night (singing it in me head all day, feckin’ earwig of a choon!), but it had me thinking about the whole ‘Irish stereotypes’ thing and the recent video of the children bursting into rebel songs behind was it the BBC reporter recently at the Olympic homecoming, and that just had me thinking about the time my Italian boss at the time came over to Ireland, so we went out for a few drinks…

    We’re in the local and sure it’s trad music and dancing and all the rest of it, so I goes to the bar for another round just as the girl is coming out to do a few steps, and as I’m coming back from the bar with a pair of pints in me hands, I spot yer man and he looks like he’s about to either explode or pass out. Not sure what to do I downed the pair of pints (couldn’t let them go to waste), grabbed hold of him and hoicked him outside, all the while bursting me hole laughing remembering that immortal line from ‘Philadelphia Here I Come’ (that’s still on the English syllabus too for LC, 30 years later! 😳):

    “The bloods up, the bloods up!”

    Just the mental image of the lads and the tragic comedy of it, that play was so relatable in so many ways… not sure that’s a good thing or a bad thing 😂

    Took me a while, but 1:16:50 -

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Trans-ideology is a non scientific belief system which demands that children & adults alike observe & obey its false teachings.

    I do not however believe in its teachings, nor do I believe in its dogma like "transwomen are women". I just don't buy any of it, as it is a non scientific ideology, based on feelings & emotions (but not on biology or reality).

    Eddie Izzard says he's a woman and we must address him as such, Dylan Mulvaney must also be addressed as "she", Pips Bunce of Credit Suisse too (some days), not forgetting trans-athlete Valentina Petrillo who we must address as 'she' for fear of misgendering (God forbid), however, I'm not a believer, as I see them for what they really are, men dressed as women.

    Kids should certainly not be exposed to this deology which actually claims they may be in someone else's body or non-binary which is also just made-up.

    Helen Joyce & Maya Forstater are excellent on this topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I’d imagine the community notes were wild?

    I only saw one potential community note tbh, and I downvoted it, or whatever the terminology is

    (I shouldn't have to say this, but I don't agree with the following depiction of a 'traditional' Muslim family, the same as I didn't agree with the depiction of a traditional Irish family)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭celt262


    Who would not support defenders of child rape????.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,646 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Well if we focus on their twitter followers, who logically make up a fair bit of their readers, the first question when any crime comes up is usually - what is the ethnicity of the rapist? Forget about the actual crime and the victims, we need to know if it was a non white person first of all. If the perp is white, we know that there is significantly less interest in the crime from those people. It's like those people don't care at all. It's bad for optics to have crimes committed by white people publicised. They will then try to make out that it was a lesser crime or, what they usually do is try to make out that the crime didn't happen at all. They have done it so much now that it's like clockwork for them. Countless examples of these these people doing this on twitter and on here. You'll see them asking me for evidence now in the thread or making their unfunny dad jokes. Please do, as you'll go directly onto my ignore list, if you haven't already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Ha ha nice try, as that question & my answer had me banned from another thread, with all my posts removed too. Not that my answer was negative to that specific question, but because I didn't fully embrace the teaching of ...

    GRIPT tackle some subjects other media outlets won't touch, or won't delve into in any great depth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Except he didn't say all readers would agree with it. I'm sure some posters who are fans of GRIPT do agree with their position though. So I don't think the moral stand works that well.

    It's worth checking the comments on that article btw. It's basically readers claiming it's part of a conspiracy to destroy Irish culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    How have you come to this conculsion? From what I can see, as soon as parents are made aware of it they are generally disgusted with it. It's only getting coverage in the press now after Gript and a few others brought it into the open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    As soon as people lost their **** over a depiction of an Irish family, the book got removed from publication. I'm not seeing a load of Irish parents complaining or protesting about the content that refers to trans people though... So yep you're a minority. 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    I have no idea what the trans stuff is your on about, but your saying that because I was unhappy with my teenage children being told that liking GAA or Irish food made them backwards I am in the minority?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,646 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    No one gets banned for having an opinion. It seems to be your good self that won't touch some subjects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Maybe you should check what I was actually responding to? Literally everyone in the thread has said the content of the book was objectionable.... I'm also not sure if I'd go as far as saying that they were saying there's something wrong with liking GAA or Irish food... It was more that it was caricatures of Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I think you are in a minority thankfully. 😊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,646 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Are you suggesting that children catch the trans when they hear about it in school?



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "Catch the trans"

    Sums the attitude up really. Like catching the diabetes after reading about it in biology. Or catching the Nazi after doing WW2 history.

    A bit like catching the stupid after reading some of the stupidity on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    I suppose the main takeaway for anyone with skin in the game i.e. a parent, is to teach your kids to have a healthy sense of skeptisism and a well tuned bullshit radar with regards to all this SPHE stuff. It's also important that their are publictions willing to highlight agenda driven crap like this although I'm sure Kitty Holland and the IT were just about to run the story on the front page.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This comment is cut from the same cloth as the "My son thinks he's superman so should I let him jump out of windows".

    Kids are not remotely as pursudable as you think they are and exposure to a bit of diversity literature isn't about to turn them gay or trans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    Relegion is the exact same. I don't see many people saying that kids shouldn't learn about different religion and cultures in school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    I never said anything about the people who read grift on this thread.

    Yes, because calling out people who defend child rapists is the most horrible thing about this.

    There's a reason grift felt it could publicly defend child rapists. Do you think they did that knowing that their readers and subscribers would be outraged at them? Hardly. They know their audience better than anyone.

    I don't consider being against child rapists as making me morally superior tbh, just a normal everyday run of mill person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    Oh i agree, I have kids unlike the majority of posters here I'd wager. Of course kids aren't suggestable, they should never have banned advertising aimed at them, I campainged to have a Benson and Hedges billboard outside our local school. It's a confusing time for them though, they go to biology and are thought one thing then they go to SPHE and have to unlearn all that science again. The problem of course is Gript and all those right wing outlets for telling tales outside school.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    In RE classe kids are taught about the different religions of the world and the different beliefs, each person being free to practice their own belief without demanding that everybody else adopts their belief without question.

    Problem with the trans teaching is that the kids are taught that a boy can become a girl and that everybody including the teachers must believe that student Jack (he) has decided to become Betty (she), no questions asked, and everybody MUST believe … "Misgendering" being a punishable offence.



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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just as attacking a child's religion in school is a punishable offense, so what's the point you are trying to make here ?



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