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French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,699 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    But how many pay phones are there within a 200km radius of the guy? That's what truly matters in all this 🙄

    Meanwhile, apparently in Poland, a woman went on a date with a guy she met on the internet and was held prisoner for 5 years. During this time she was raped and beaten and even had her lips and teeth removed. Despite attending hospital for injuries and a birth during this time, not one person raised the alarm until she found the courage to tell someone. So, a woman was admitted to hospital with anal injuries, bruising all over and no fcucking lips or teeth and was allowed to just leave with her attacker on several occasions. Wtaf is going on? Seems like not a very good time to be a woman these days, not that it ever was. I await being lectured about how men have it so much worse



  • Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sleep tight my very angry friend

    Me, I’m going real world and heading out to the real world.

    I will kick every person who i think might have testicles in the groin for you.

    Dogs cats giraffes hamsters ….your all a target for the volcshitty army



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Look I just said they could use a payfone, it's a reasonable thing to do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sure, but currently this is the best information we have to work with. Feel free to supply superior information.

    The OP only supplied so far about 3 or 4 other lookups of the men, I don't contend that they are a match, very especially the firefighter who without a doubt is the same person.

    If we get a better result for evidence that ties a different Cyprien Culieras to the case then that would be great. IDK how france does it but they could save us all a lot of hassle if there was an indictment document someone could pull up which shows where they hail from or how far they traveled, in the US sometimes that type of information will be in the indictment, charging document as the facts being presented by the prosecution to the court, so and so drove X miles to murder Y, etc. such information is generally material to the case and affects severity of sentencing, so I'd be surprised if that information wasn't available somewhere by the conclusion of this case in some official capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭kaymin


    YT one doesn't have the same name and the other one is a profile from 2014😴 Yet you know he's from the south of France. Right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,033 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    They trusted him, presumably. That's all part of why it's so concerning - or should be, to genuinely decent men.

    The way most were living normal lives with normal familes (not all, as I've said before, about half a dozen had previous convictions for sex abuse or domestic violence) had a range of jobs, their friends all thought they were grand - so really the claim that they aren't normal is purely in hindsight.

    Which is not a terribly useful piece of information to a woman wondering whether or not to put herself in a vulnerable situation even with a man she (thinks she) knows well.

    It's striking that some men's reaction to this is extreme hostility to anyone even pointing it out. Way to go to inspire confidence.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Its not really now is it

    It's a Facebook page for someone with the same name

    You have jumped the gun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Feel free to contribute superior information.

    If there was a youtube star on the list of suspects I would find it strange that was not highlighted in the examples listed as noteworthy by the press, eg. the truck driver, soldier, local journalist, nurse, IT specialist, etc. were all listed then they get down to craftsmen but don't mention a youtuber? I think that would be significant, and it's omission in the reporting patently conspicuous. And, you said this case has been going on for years by he's still putting out videos regularly, his last one is from 4 months ago, and it's not one of the faces in your original tweet of doxxed perps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,033 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Youtube guy DOES have the same name - lov is a screen name, but if you look around you'll find it, and the other is not the same person, is the point.

    As for how I know the name is from the south of France, look at the death notices:

    https://www.acte-deces.fr/recherche-deces-famille-culieras

    Not to mention that you don't know where the accused was living at the time of the rapes. The newspaper coverage which I've linked to several times says that most men came from the region where the couple lived.

    Even if you did find one in Lille now, so what? You think that proves the journalists - and the police - wrong? Mad.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,033 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Yes that's my point - of course it's not the Youtube guy. Why do you think it's the Lille one?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most “norma”l men have no interest in people like you. Your anger, coupled with you anti all men agenda and transphobia …..nah…perhaps your maybe not that really the hero you think you are. Sleep tight princess



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Plenty of them we're leading quite dysfunctional lives

    The case on its own is bad enough, it's quite hard to get what point you are making with this

    This is still a tiny subset of people

    Thankfully really stupid people

    There are bad people out there

    The vast majority aren't , most let it slip

    Someone is married to one of Jamie burgers killers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The death notices pages shows deaths from multiple departments, including Bouches-du-Rhonde near where the crime took place (a department just south of the area of the crime), Drome (the department just north of the area), Gironde (all the way centered around Bordeaux), Loiret (around Orleans south of Paris), Rhone (around Lyon), Var (between Nice and Marseille), and Vaucluse, where the crime took place.

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    Cyprien is not one of the deaths listed. This really doesn't help us conclude much more except that the family name is spotted in obits across nearly the whole country. I'd be wondering if this is an exhaustive list for the surname either or how complete the record of certificates is - 19 dead in the family name since 1978?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Feel free to prove it's not. I think there is plenty of articulable reason to disbelieve it's the youtube guy, for the previously stated reason he's still putting out videos and with a noteworthy profession was never mentioned by any of the reporting, when the same reporting enumerated much more interesting (soldier, journalist etc) and mediocre (IT specialist etc.) occupations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A journalist reporting, of a police summary, of what a criminal says, does not make the criminal's statement credible information.

    I however ask: the police reported they ultimately had 83 suspects, the daughter says 72 women raped her mother - but you decided not to believe them, you believe the serial rapist kingpin?

    "FFS."

    Anyway, have a good night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Respectfully, the more you think this through I believe the less it becomes logical,

    Even assuming they had an untraceable means of contacting police, and even assuming police would act on a completely anonymous call and not dismiss it like eg. swatting, there's reason to believe they'd be tipping off the police to someone that already had obtained a ton of their information: not just the possibility of video recordings of within the house but copies of text messages and anything else the husband required of the men before he gave away his home address.

    It is not likely he just asked anyone on the chatroom to come on over without careful vetting, not with the risk of being caught and catfished by law enforcement, it is highly likely he had copies of their IDs and/or all sorts of other information he would need to vet them, that would just lead police right back to the people who would otherwise have tried to anonymously tip off the police - after all, that's exactly how the police found them all.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/02/world/europe/france-husband-rape-drug-trial-mazan.html?unlocked_article_code=1.IE4.m6Rr.VqL5ZkQJPRTf&smid=url-share

    Using the man’s photographs, videos and online messages, the police spent the next two years identifying and charging those other suspects.

    On the devices, the police say they found 300 photographs and a video of an unconscious woman being sexually assaulted by many people. They said they also found Skype messages in which the man boasted of drugging his wife and invited men to join him in having sex with her while she was unconscious.

    Over the course of their investigation, the police found more than 20,000 videos and photographs, many of them dated and labeled, in an electronic folder titled “abuse.” The timeline they built began in 2011. The list of suspects grew to 83.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Some suspects he didn't know the names of as they couldn't track them down

    The ones who gave him the info, sweet mother of God, they were the idiots who couldn't follow logic

    You can be sure not everyone went through with it, so the numbers are way higher that what he contacted

    So your logic has failed

    Similar to your payfone logic

    If Johnny law had been more aware of this website it would have been shutdown

    Its not something they resource



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Also given what he was doing at his house and in public and all circa 100 of these boneheads were doing, it kind of miraculous that the whole thing kept going so long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    And also how does this regular Joe schmuck vet someone who could be the police exactly

    Hey are you the police? ..... No



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,262 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    They probably sent him abuse images. Many of them had convictions that could be verified too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    What are you on about, of course it's shut down, this happened in the past



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Sorry what? He was confirming people convictions

    Easy enough to fake a few photos, this is again the PO po sé are talking about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,262 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    But they were all "ordinary local men"? Does that mean all "ordinary local men" have convictions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭TokTik


    2.21bn people use Facebook on a daily basis in 2024. So quite a few.

    https://backlinko.com/facebook-users



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    They are all your mom

    And how many people involved in a massively high profile rape case keep an active Facebook presence

    There was some jest in my comments, some whimsy

    Also like bots n stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Do you have any advice for how men might identify these “far from ordinary” men?

    Because they certainly looked and acted like ordinary men in all the rest of their lives.

    Considering your original thread title……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Well look. Your opinions and attitudes regarding inherent qualities of men are shared by the populations and authorities in a tiny minority of countries. Those countries realise that it is perfectly natural for any man to want to rape or sexually assault any lone female. Ergo, if that happens, the woman must be the one to be punished. This is logical as the man is only acting like any ordinary man naturally would. Societal norms are generally based on what is acceptable and ordinary behaviour.

    So @volchitsa let's bring in the burqua so that women do not tempt the men, forcing things to their natural and expected outcome. Women should not be allowed to leave their houses without a male relative chaperone because it's not as if the other men could be blamed for do what an ordinary man would do.

    I'm with you

    (Well not really, but you do definitely share a common logic with populations of those countries ………. the only difference is that they have implemented a "logical" solution given the starting point of their beliefs.)



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