French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

There was never an argument that everyone was local either just most

So you have no argument

Your gotcha was lame

The difficulty in pulling this off is massive

Ita very rare as in Shipman was rare

Yourself and overhead should go on a date, well suited

Can you post a link?

The distance from Mazan or Paris is important in terms of the getting a handle on the scale.

If all the men who raped the victim are within 50km of Mazan; then that's 50-60 men out of a population of 500,000.

If they are all within 100km then that's 50-60 men out of a population of 4,000,000. Both population according to chatgpt.

All local or mostly local means nothing in terms of quantifying the scale of what is one of the horrific things I've ever read.

When we have the names and locations of all the perpetrators we'll have some idea of the size of the pool the husband selected from.

Given the scale of this, the ease of using the web to carry it out, I'd be surprised if there aren't more. Maybe not as prolific but there must be others.

It really is hard to wrap your head around the horror of what happened to this woman. There must be a better way to prosecute cases than making her sits through weeks of this.

My work brings me into all types of courts civil, criminal, coroner and I frequently observe victims or their families having to sit through some pretty difficult evidence. There's a atmosphere/tension that's hard to describe; but it's usually for an hour or two or at most a couple of days. The sheer enormity of this thing is hard to comprehend.

But you don't seem to have an actual point

I mean he targeted a certain crowd looking for this

If he hadn't done that he'd be have been rumbled

They let him film and take pics like

That is grade a stupid

It is a miracle no one ratted him out

Help me out here: the NYT reported 83 suspects, and that 50 have been charged with rape, and that the daughter stated 72. The article that was linked to here in the thread said

police counted 92 rapes committed by 72 men, of whom 51 were formally identified. 

Something doesn't math out here, where are you getting that 30 didn't rape her, genuine question I want to clear up this math as it shouldn't be controversial: 50 charged (NYT), 51 identified (Telegraph) edit: 1 didn't rape the victim, he instead is charged raping his own wife, and then 72, and 83, then, 11 didn't rape her. Not 30. No pointed argument about that, just trying to clarify the exact numbers as it does not appear to add up to what is known. I don't recall reporting linked to in this thread reporting 30 as a figure and not seeing it in either of these 2 articles.

Thread's been over this ask about why they didn't go to the police: 1) none of us know, the courts involved may get to the bottom of that, 2) none of us again know if they weren't involved in various other sex crimes, the husband particularly is an edge case even among rapists but we know he is charged in other rapes of his own spanning decades, and was upskirting women with cameras, etc. etc., it seems entirely reasonable to assume that these 11-30 individuals were not simply fantasy-curious innocents and 3) had already likely crossed the criminal boundary through the means and methods by which they were recruited by the husband, even if they did not go through with raping her (or they feared they had already committed a crime or didn't want to be investigated) 4) We don't even know what their reasons for not raping her were, it could have ranged from as you suggest (and they allege in their legal defenses) 'this is wrong, I'm out,' to 'actually she's not my type' to 'this feels like a trap' etc. etc.

The investigation of the website was "across Europe" without anyone yet telling us the full scope of where these men in this particular case all hailed from, that is the bounds of where our knowledge is about the case:

He met most of the men, the investigating judge’s report stated, in a chat room on a notorious, unmoderated French website implicated in more than 23,000 police cases in France alone from 2021 to 2024. It was finally shut down, and its owner arrested, in June after an 18-month investigation stretching across Europe.

The chat room where most of the men met Mr. Pelicot was called “a son insu,” which means “without their knowledge.”

I note the chat room wasn't "without her knowledge, Mazan edition" etc. and it's not as though people who speak French are bound to live within France, as stated some of the men are truck drivers, soldiers, tradesmen etc. and travel for work, especially in the EU, is hardly uncommon such as for trades, I knew people in Clarecastle who flew home on the weekends, but made a killing flying out to the UK and France etc. for road-related construction and engineering during the Celtic Tiger, flights being cheap and fast, and their work paying quite well.

We agree that the case is shocking, these men are monsters, and quite a lot of them are local, but I would not go so far as to agree with your initial assessments - that it's "probably the same everywhere" and that this case is not some "Little Britain" outlier:

He also didn't have to search too far to recruit the others - it was all within a fairly small zone. So unless there's some reason to think that particular small town and its surroundings make up some sort of "Little Britain" incestuous village - which AFAIK there isn't, then it's probably the same everywhere. Which means there are a lot of men living normal lives who are eager to rape an unconscious woman as long as her husband isn't going to punch their lights out.




The nature of this case is highly unorthodox compared to reporting on rapes I have seen across my lifetime (which does include the world over, reports of sex rings, child sex rings, human trafficking etc. but this case is still something of an oddity how it went about). A sinister motive, with a found opportunity through the internet chatroom, and as discussed, many of these men were "working class and middle class," people with their own money, and means, it would not surprise me that these men could travel far for the opportunity the husband was presenting to them.

We would even agree that there are, given the insight the case has offered, more individual men out in the world, of status, who have the means, and the motivation and may or may not have the opportunity to travel for consensual or non consensual encounters, I think it would be fair to say there is at least one matching that description in most communities - truck driver, soldier, priest, handyman, any walk of life, the walk of life likely doesn't factor to their criminally deviant disposition (though in some cases I argue like eg. priests, again, they seek out positions of social trust as a means to the motive).

Where we diverge is I think it's a stretch to say these kind of rape sex rings happen everywhere though as your above statement would imply in this thread as being 'in every or nearly every village' there being an "incestuous" sex ring underbelly either happening or just waiting to happen if one husband gets on the current form of seedy craigslist and asks if people wanna have a nonconsensual go of their wife.

One million people live within a 50km radius of Mazan.

https://www.maps.ie/population/

Jasus, it took you longer to write that reply than it would to post the link. I've googled and couldn't find.