DART+ (DART Expansion)

Exactly. As someone else mentioned, Luas Lucan, which is supposed to be operational even before the post-2042 Luas, already is currently planned to share some sections of the red line. And many of the post-2042 lines are supposed to do the same. It would be insane to try and give them all colour coded names.

While I dont agree with TX being a good naming scheme, I don't think we can keep with the colours just because of the planned expansion of the network being more than what I think colour naming can take. Like you say, using colours is important for mapping, and its not like there will be so many lines that they would need to use the colour scheme used on the BC network map(route colour being by type of service), but I think there will at least be enough to warrant some other system that can allow more than a handful of lines.

I personally think colours would be better, similar to the TFI Rail and Tram network map that’s out now, rail as solid colours, and trams as a double stripe. It’s the easiest way to do things map wise but in terms of line names I do see a number/letter and number system being the best way to go…

I think they would be absolutely cracked to treat Luas Lucan as a reach off of the Red Line and also to not include the south city centre section where trams share tracks along the canal and through James’ where the almost full grade-separation has capacity for such a thing. (A side note but I’ve always believed they should extend Luas Lucan towards Tara/Pearse Stations and even onto Ringsend/Irishtown, makes far more sense than looping the Red Line back around via an expensive lifting bridge over the Liffey…)

I don't mean mapping, but the naming. TII is really pushing develop the Luas Network, and its going to get to a point where naming the lines after colours would be a problem.

Eitherway, my point about luas lines wasnt meant to get into how they could/should be named, but mostly meant to be that if the luas lines stay named after colours, the DART lines (which could work better with colour naming since there are just less of them) shouldn't be to help clarify between the two. Especially since if they both used colour coded names, it would limit the amount of names.

The destination is not the name of the service. "Red Line" is the service name, "Tallaght", "Saggart", "Connolly", "Point Depot" are the destinations. I'm not saying we should remove those destinations, only supplement them with a route number, as you see on buses.

I don't get how you (rightly) rave about BusConnect's rationalised route-labels, but reject the same thing for tram or DART.

Right now, Luas* and DART do not tell you the route, only the destination. But the front of a bus tells you two things: the service number, and the destination. Both are useful, especially now that the service numbers are being rationalised in a way that lets you know which vehicles will go in roughly the same direction you want to go.

A DART train only has the destination. That's been fine because until now, there has only been one route (and one short branch) on DART. We'll be adding two more, but the track connections would allow for four more. If you're standing at Connolly, route numbers mean you don't have to memorise all the intermediate terminii of each route. You want to go to Glasnevin, well, a train for Hazelhatch, Heuston West, M3 Parkway, Maynooth will get you there, but Clongriffin, Drogheda, Balbriggan etc won't. Wouldn't it be easier to say to someone to take "R2" or "R3"? This kind of navigation works in concert with a route-map. You see where you are, where you want to go, and trace the line that'll take you there.

Until now, Dublin's rail transportation has had almost no interconnection: it's about to get a lot more connected, and that's why there is now a need to identify the routes that services take, not just their endpoints, because the route determines your interconnections.

So, what I'd propose is that instead of just "Red Cow" at the front and sides, a Luas tram would instead say "11 - Red Cow"; similarly, the now/next display would read "1 min - [11] Red Cow; 4 min - [12] Saggart", and so on. Same deal for DART trains: route number plus destination ("R3 Howth"). This is standard practice across the Continent.

Nothing removed, just applying the same good logic as the bus numbering to a system that will, we hope, become larger and more connected in future.

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* I don't consider changing the colour of a text display to be an adequate indicator of what route the tram runs along. I personally didn't notice this for a long time, and again because red and green are the options, there's the colour-blindness issue.

The new timetable has been nothing but a disaster in my experience.

I haven't had one train on time from the Northside and I use the train daily. For the first week they were coming 5 minutes later (the old time) now they're coming 10 minutes later.

The city center was fine unless yesterday. The Dart home was 20 minutes late then traveled at a snails pace. It's a disaster!!!

I was on the Malahide train. I don't know the reason.

The live map is worth looking at in these situations. It'll show you what's ahead, and if it's delayed, knocking on to your train.

I really don't care what the reason is though. A delayed train is a delayed train and the last two weeks have been horrendous.

Someone mentioning the station made me think, what actually is the plan with Docklands station? A lot of the D+ website talks about relocating or replacing it with Spencer Dock station and route map doesn't show the station but the RO still shows both stations. Does relocating/replacing mean they are mothballing or removing Docklands station (or maybe turning it into sidings)? Or does it mean they are just sending the services to Spencer Dock and keeping Docklands for services that can't fit into Connolly or Spencer Dock?

So complain to Irish Rail.

The option to JR DART+West will expire by tomorrow night and what I'm hearing is that there are no plans by anyone to do so. Cross your fingers yall

Soc dems promised something different but reverted to nimbyism a long time ago.

The howth thing is rooted in plain old classism, it ought to be roundly ignored.

6 Trains per hour to and from Howth will result in the level crossings being closed for approx 35 mins per hour during peak times which will result in total gridlock on the roads