French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

the average misogynistic copper? look this was a random set of cops and well could you ask any more from them

his technique? to learn it, you would need to get your wife on serious sleeping pills medication, how do you get over that slight hurdle

look on the rapist nickname, hard to remember but he made some female colleagues uncomfortable, there may have been nothing to look into, its a bit fuzzy, I think any historical things came up after he got caught, no one was hiding him

If anything the joke was on him

you need something to go off like the case above

I said the legit fantasy he was purporting is extremely rare but does exist

it is rare

the above is rare, unless you can come up with another instance like it

Its hard to know why you are surprised he managed to blend in

the wayne couzens scenario is rare

You've already said you aren't bothered to look through even 50 accused for this information yet you want to hold me to a higher standard. Gas.

do you only have a subscription to the New York times. It began in paris moved to Mazon 2013, it mostly happened there, most of the men lived in the locality, it could be most of the other men lived in Paris when it happened there

How tf has a thread about a woman being raped by dozens of men over years, all instigated by her husband become about poor victimised men, evil women and pedantic back and forths about where the men were from? Jesus christ.

the location of the men is a very pertinent point, given the context of the ops post

the numbers involved are nuts

Its not the men in the case who are victims, its the others not in the case

he is referring to others response to the op and her perhaps generalization, assuming there is such a thing as a woman on here, ok then man

your input was fair and balanced

Fair play volchista, genuinely, for being bold enough and brave enough to resist any appearance of civility when the behaviour of the type of man involved in this sort of behaviour is anything but civil, and deserves no sympathy or attempt at understanding, they deserve nothing but contempt. You were bang on to broach the issue the way you did with your opening post and original thread title (should be reinstated IMO), because expecting victims to adhere to standards of civility is exactly how these bastards manage to maintain their status in civil society. There’s another ongoing thread at the moment and people have no issue holding back their expressions of disgust, frustration and anger at the organised rape and abuse of children and vulnerable adults. This thread shouldn’t have been any different. Instead you’re getting posters trying to nit-pick you apart when you’ve every right to be angry, instead of offering support.

I can’t offer any insight into the minds of these bastards that you’re not already aware of, or how women and girls ought to be able to protect themselves from men who commit these sorts of acts against women and girls, because the responsibility for their behaviour rests entirely with the men who commit these acts against women and girls. Society can’t change that, but it can make changes in law to make prosecuting men for these crimes less difficult and arduous for their victims and the people who are racked with guilt for not having known about their behaviour that they could have done something.

Saying that, it really is a sad indictment of men that there are men in what we like to believe is a civilised society who, when presented with an opportunity of committing rape in the belief they won’t face any consequences or punishment, are willing to avail of the opportunity when they believe it presents itself. The case in France isn’t the first case of its kind by any means, it’s just the most recent one which has come to public attention in France is all. There was a similar case in the UK about 50 years ago which led to rightful criticism of the ‘honest belief’ defence and the introduction of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, nearly 30 years later which held that a defendants belief that the victim consented must be reasonable. What made that case even more harrowing was the fact that her husband could not be charged with rape, as that didn’t exist in UK law until the 2003 Act either:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DPP_v_Morgan

In France, their laws regarding rape are far less comprehensive than Ireland or the UK. In Ireland too we’ve only recently passed the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences and Human Trafficking) Act 2024 to change the honest belief defence to one of an objective test of whether the belief could be held by a reasonable person in those circumstances:

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/07/11/mistaken-belief-of-consent-no-defence-to-rape-accusation-under-new-law/

https://archive.ph/3l28Q

French law regarding rape is different:

"Under French law, perpetrators benefit from a presumption of consent from their victim," said Catherine Le Magueresse, a doctor of law and author of Pièges du Consentement: Pour une Redéfinition Pénale du Consentement Sexuel ("The Pitfalls of Consent: For a Redefinition of Sexual Consent in the Criminal Code"). "Basically, men are told they can help themselves to other people's bodies, but that they must not abuse them, otherwise it's violence, constraint, threat or surprise.

https://archive.ph/ihGNV

It’s not surprising that this particular case has been dragged out for the last two years:

For now, the French government seems to be playing it by the ear, awaiting the parliamentary committee's conclusions, which are expected shortly. The law's amending could be merely symbolic, introducing the words "committed without consent" at the beginning of the article, representing a truism of sorts in view of the rest of the definition.

Granted, I've only dipped in and out of the thread and haven't read every post. Someone was going on about women killing babies with abortions as some sort of gotcha at one point and a lot of people seem to think that the op making this thread is casting aspersions on all men, making them victims

According to the BBC, "Most of the other men lived only a few kilometres away" anyway. Do you not find it shocking to think there are that many men willing to rape an unconscious woman if they think they'll get away with it within just a "few kilometres"? You'd rather argue about exactly how far away they were than accept this shocking fact? One of them was even a neighbour, known to the victim. What are the chances? Seems to me that either for some reason that particular area of France is a magnet for sexual deviants or that more men than anyone would like to think are capable of this behaviour. Which seems more likely to you?