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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Have you any ideas on how we should deal with this situation beyond this one person who might live with me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    People aren’t really interested in those biased studies or research. Would be far more illuminating to see figures from the department of social protection on how many have remained on the live register and for how long



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Yup. Anyone who travelled with a passport, but arrived without is sent straight back to wherever that boat or plane came from.

    People need to be able to prove clearly and definitively where they are travelling from, how they got here and why they are here.

    Otherwise we tell them we cannot help them.

    Thats a start.

    Rejected asylum seekers are brought to an airport and but on the first available flight back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Yeah good luck with that.

    I'm sure the airlines will be happy to facilitate this approach and the countries where the flights originate, or where we believe the reject asylum seekers are actually from, will have no issues either.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Cool. So then we will go back to letting one stay at yours. But you wouldn't. You seem to tolerate them being in your country, but not in your house. NIMBY-ism at it's finest.

    If I tried to get into Australia without a passport, would they let me in if I just said I was claiming asylum?

    People just don't materialise. They need to have proof of where they came from, otherwise they are ignored and sent back to their country of origin. No help whatsover. I would rather the government spent our tax money on getting rid of bogus asylum seekers than keeping them here.

    If we had a zero tolerance policy, we would stop seeing people arrive.

    Why would they come here if they were getting nothing. We need to make outselves not attractive to bogus asylum seekers.

    But your answer is much better. Keep housing and feeding them and eventually they might contribute.

    Yeah, good luck with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    The Esri are biased now?

    I guess we'll have to add them to the list so.

    Maybe someday one of guys will actually explain how all this is supposed to work between O'Gorman's tweets, the MSM, the hotel owners, the NGOs, the ESRI, the people-traffickers, the lefties, the UN etc, etc.

    At the moment it's looking more than a little conspiratorial.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Google one of the co authors and see what you find



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I don't know why you seem to think it appropriate to bring my living situation into the discussion? I think it should be pretty clear it's not going to make any difference to the situation.

    As for Australia, yes you would be sent back. You would also be subject to a lengthy pre clearance process before you boarded the flight. Which makes it very unlikely anybody will attempt to claim asylum on landing.

    Some kind of pre-clearance system is being introduced as part of the migration pact, but considering how many of our arrivals come via sea or over the border from NI, I wouldn't expect it to make much of a difference in Europe or Ireland.

    Are you also challenging the ESRI findings on IPAs joining the workforce?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I just googled them both, nothing stands out, what exactly am I supposed to be finding here?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    ”As for Australia, yes you would be sent back. You would also be subject to a lengthy pre clearance process before you boarded the flight. Which makes it very unlikely anybody will attempt to claim asylum on landing.”

    You’re almost getting it. If measures are introduced it will surely cut down on claims. But we’re now known as a soft touch and nothing will happen if people show up with no ID. There’s a good reason why people don’t destroy their passports on flights to Australia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    And how will this pre-clearance system work for people getting on small craft and dingheys?

    Or coming across the border up North?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,817 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Co author worked within the Irish National Contact Point of the European Migration Network (EMN), which is based in the ESRI. The overall objective of the EMN is to improve the availability of, and access to, information concerning migration and asylum at European and Member State level in order to support policy and decision-making in the EU. 

    Prior to joining the ESRI, co author worked at Nasc, the Refugee and Migration Rights Centre, in Cork and at the European Council on Refugees and Exiles (ECRE) in Brussels. 

    I removed the name. Tell me that’s not someone with a bias? I think we need less research and study pieces and more cold hard facts. Figures from the dept of social protection for example



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Holy s**t this goes deeper than I first thought.

    Researchers with a background in the area they research. What will they think of next?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Your logic seems to be we can’t put in measures in place to stop everything so why bother putting any measures in at all. I don’t agree with that logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I think I'm done posting for now.

    I'm off to spend the weekend having BBQs. I hear they work so well in Australia…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    I don’t know how to explain this but I’ll try. Research and studies can be manipulated easily especially by someone with a vested interest like their career. What we need is cold hard facts. You’ll probably say that’s conspiracy theory talk but if it was someone with an anti immigration agenda who wrote studies claiming that immigrants don’t integrate you would say that’s biased. That’s why facts are better than emotions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Available data show that most enter low skilled jobs, which are characterised by lower wages and poorer working conditions. The most common reported job titles were general operative (for example, in a warehouse), healthcare assistant, kitchen porter and cleaner.

    Those people are net losses as the tax they pay does not make up for the money spent on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭minimary


    Remember when Simon was minister for higher ed and he told us this wouldn't happen any more?



    "Taoiseach Simon Harris said it was “disappointing” that Milligan Court was not in use for students, when speaking in Sligo last year.

    Harris, who was Minister for Further and Higher Education at the time, said he was working closely with Minister for Children, Roderic O’Gorman, to ensure that student accomodation was to be kept for students."

    https://www.oceanfm.ie/2024/09/06/almost-180-asylum-seekers-to-be-housed-in-milligan-court/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Six one running with a news story of 2 Indians being attacked by teenagers, as sure as eggs are eggs if 2 Indians committed a crime they would not be named as '2 Indians' indeed a crime committed by foreign nationals or asylum seekers does not make tv headline news…..the agenda is so laughably see through



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The headline should be, 'Feral teenagers causing havoc in cities due to lack of policing'. Becuase that is the real problem, of course the agenda driven media push for the racial angle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Is this what some here are cheerleading for ? the fking state of it none of this lot will ever integrate or contribute to a society much further than emptying your bins down the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Repro212


    Fighting in CityWest today. Fighting on the streets to control the drug trade tomorrow. And more pouring in daily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Think thats an old video, that lad is renowned for sharing old content on X, but the point still stands. Its not a good situation and only going to get worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    In fairness he doesn’t claim it’s new, he used the hashtag TBT which means throw back Thursday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    One article about deportations

    With a moratorium in place due to the pandemic, there were just 33 deportation orders signed and 38 carried out in 2021.

    By 2022, that rose to 528 signed and 118 removals, while in the first 10 months of last year, there were 713 orders signed off and 57 deportations carried out.

    And a study on non Irish citizens returning to their country of origin through deportation or otherwise.

    The only article I have seen on the likely status of asylum seekers is the independent one I posted. Despite your earlier claims against a poster to which I replied, you present nothing to show the independent article is false but seem to be attempting misdirection.

    Fwiw, as I have said previously, one of my best friends is a refugee. I am also very close to an adult person who is the child of refugees. I don't know the best solution but looking at the current situation, I see obvious challenges.

    Also, not everyone is a software engineer and it seems not everyone can save the stupendous amounts of money needed to buy a house. Are we to say that only those who are unemployed or very poor and only those who are very rich should be housed? Should be allowed to have a family?

    The current situation has challenges but denying the facts and gaslighting those who highlight the issues makes the situation worse in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭riddles


    it’s not because of lack of policing - the police should not be responsible for the carry on of teenagers and are largely powerless to do much with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    A fair few countries are looking to moderate immigration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    The ol Jordanians taking top spot yet again - Things must be really bad there as it seems all the worlds press can't even get in to report on the horrors unfolding on a daily basis. Anyone know if the Jordanian Falcons claimed asylum after their Bray air show appearance?. At least we'd have gained 4/5 display planes to offset the costs

    We also have a new kid on the block - 'Stateless' - and this new status definitely won't be abused…no way

    We're being royally shafted - It's as simple as that

    IPA stats end Aug.jpg

    https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/90641-statistics/#2024

    The stats are very dodgy since our supreme leader took power as 'spin is king' - It seems Aug has gone to a 3 week month



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