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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Pretty sure there point was more in reference to the posters who have been portraying this as part of a conspiracy to destroy Irish culture. It was a poorly thought out and pretty stupid portrayal based on tropes about Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    I see a load of snowflakes are losing their minds and demanding censorship over a few words and pcitures in a book. I assume grift will have an article in support of the book company exercising their freedom of speech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭donaghs


    and what do you think?

    I think promoting racism in school textbooks is an issue to be concerned about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


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    I actually find the Gript take on child sexual abuse to be far more concerning than a SPHE book storm in a teacup. McGuirk seems to think it's better to just sweep it under the carpet. Maybe if the abuse allegations made it to the actual authorities at the time, victims could have gotten some justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    As I said, I fully expect grift to take a hardline advocating for freedom of speech. When it comes to racism, ive never seen them take any other line.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,995 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    He only cares about the unborn as per the right wing playbook\funding.

    Rigged referendum where did anyone here that line before?

    https://www.save8.ie/rigged/

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    That blog site should be never taken serious as any source of information.

    Anyone using it as a source and especially complaining about "MSM" should be dismissed in seconds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I think most people would agree with you about the historic abuse allegations.
    But you can still have an opinion on a current news story about offensive material in your kids schools books.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I don't know any "pure Irish" families like the one portrayed in the SPHE book, but in a book published two decades ago, Hugo Hamilton produced a portrait of a family somewhat similar to the "pure Irish family", aran sweaters, prohibitions, strict parents etc.

    Unfortunately, his portrayal of his family differed from the SPHE Irish family in a number of regards: the first is that they were not hillbillies, but a South County Dublin professional family, the father being an engineer working in one of the semi-states, while a "traitorous" grandfather had been in the British navy in WW I.
    Another even more major difference is that they weren't pure Irish either: the mother was German, and in tolerant S Co Dublin of the day they were bullied by other local kids and hounded as "Nazis" (remember that this area has always been full of a certain type, having been developed as a salubrious series of suburbs for the better-off members of the Colonial administration and allied classes such as finance & law).

    On the other hand, I did briefly know a family who used to spend their holidays touring the museums of Europe with their children (under the age of 10 at the time) who - the father once proudly told me - were able to recognise the works of the major artists from the impressionist period onwards and correctly attribute them to their authors. Whether they ate pizza or curries I couldn't say, but in this case both parents were of pure Irish descent.

    So much for stereotypes then, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,273 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's a rather simplistic take. People have been sneering at the Irish language and the GAA for decades and it's not necessarily anything to do with them being pro-multiculturalism or ultra liberal. They might just be snobs or elitists who regard these cultural references as inferior (in the past they might have been criticised themselves as being 'West Brits').

    Incidentally, the involvement of the far right in this is surely a joke. Can any of those online muppets even speak Irish or have they any involvement in the GAA, Irish dancing, trad music etc? It's beyond cynical to see them supposedly defend a culture they have no interest in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,201 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Absolutely scummy take on it from McGurk but what would you expect from a pig only a grunt.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,524 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I should clarify - I wasn’t defending the book or the exercise or the lesson:

    Just like the lesson in the book, is being presented out of context.

    The comparison clearly was not an equally positive portrayal of both families.

    The point being that it’s just another example of Gript attempting to manufacture outrage out of nothing. Best not let anyone see this… ehh, “racist??” portrayal of a traditional Irish family… ham:

    Just now I think of it, I’d been in hospital recently (nothing serious) and the catering lady came round to take dinner orders, “Bacon and cabbage? You look like a bacon and cabbage man” she says. I’m raging now that it didn’t occur to me to reprimand her for being racist, talk about a missed opportunity! 😖

    Then I’m more the colour of a Kerr’s Pink covered in shyte, than a washed Wexford Queen, so I can understand how she might have been given the impression I’m not someone who goes around with a chip on their shoulder…


    I’ll get my jacket… potato 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Gript attempting to manufacture outrage out of nothing.

    It was doing the rounds on twitter for a while before gript picked it up, had a good lot of outrage generated already at that stage.

    (the first mention of it on this thread was from a news outlet other than gript, that must have been deleted as it was 'off topic')



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You are free to but everyone is in agreement, the book shouldn't have portrayed Irish people as it did. People weren't agreeing that it was equivalent to Reich propaganda to destroy Irish culture. The book will be amended and it's really not a national scandal.

    Given the topic is about Gript, the fact that their editor is attempting to downplay a far more serious decades long sexual abuse scandal, I'd say it's a far bigger question about the site's motivation. This is the site that posters claim that is challenging both the MSM and government. But if anything it seems to be running a propaganda line for their owner and other Christian fundamentalists who want to effectively cover up child sex abuse.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niamh_U%C3%AD_Bhriain



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Grift exists to defend power and the establishment. It was always going to side with child molesters over their victims. It's doing so as openly as it feels it can without drawing the condemnation it so rightly deserves.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    That is an incomplete conclusion. Gript very selectively 'side with' (to some extent) a handful of trad institutions like the RCC but not with FF, FG etc. which are also Establishment - and also traditional, for that matter - Irish institutions.

    Obviously they would not be for siding with e.g. the South Yorkshire police over the scandal of Rotherham rape gangs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Of course, because it's a white supremacist outlet and it'll cynically use any excuse to attack BAME people.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    But people who do 'side with' powerful institutions that shield child abusers - such as the South Yorkshire police, and the local branch of the Labour Party in Rotherham at that time - are to be condemned.

    For placing abstract concerns about hypothetical 'racism' above the welfare of actual rape victims.

    Right?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've seen that tired old lie before. It's also beyond the purview of the thread so I'm not wasting my time on it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    What's a lie?

    A 2015 UK Government report concluded that members of Rotherham Council were silencing whistleblowers, and South Yorkshire police were deliberately failing to investigate these crimes. And that concerns over 'racism' were the reason for the cover-up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    Not surprised with that crap in the school book. I was talking to a friend who's a primary school teacher, they went to an INTO conference for the first time in over a decade. They genuinely couldn't believe how it has been hijacked by the purple haired brigade. Workshops on diversity, inclusion, trans and other important topic while discussions on maths, english and other core subjects were pushed to the fringes. The problem is while 99% of the teachers have their jobs, families and life to worry about these headers have nothing else to focus on but pushing agendas. Fair play to Gript for exposing it and hopefully they do a deeper dive into what's in childrens school books because their is far worse than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Kids in primary school do not take notice of their friends skin colour etc until adults stick their nose in.

    The people who try to push this nonsense into primary schools are creating problems that rarely exist.

    Leave other peoples kids alone and if parents want to teach this themselves they can, primary school teachers have no business doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,646 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's funny how unions are democratic organisations, controlled by their members, who submit motions at local level, then branch level, then national level - but apparently they've been 'hijacked'

    Or maybe the fact that your buddy hasn't gone to a meeting in ten years could be the relevant factor here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd tend to question the values of a site that's more intent about being outraged about diversity while downplaying sexual abuse in schools. Some really strange priorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,201 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So what you are saying is that if racists teach horrible attitudes to their kids there should be nothing at all at the school to counteract or question that. OK.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,201 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I've seen a fair few threads with people giving out stink about their union (not just teachers) but who never attend meetings or vote! HTF do they expect their opinions to influence the union?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,919 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just a point of information, the book in question was intended for use by Year 2 second level students.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I am saying teachers have no business teaching children about it.

    Leave kids be kids and not point out differences between them and their friends, and let them innocently play with their friends.

    If a kid has racist parents then it doesn't matter what the school does, the child will listen to their parents anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    And I suppose you would be the arbiter of what is a horrible attitude?

    I've seen a lot of people, on here even, being described as racist when they are not.

    I've seen people on here being described as trans"phobic" for believing that gender doesn't supercede biological reality, when they are not.

    I wouldn't be comfortable for a school to counteract or overrule a parent.

    If the teacher has any concerns about the parent, they should speak with the parent, not the child.



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