Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Currently buying/selling a house? How is it going? READ MOD NOTE POST #1

1376377379381382384

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    The market has gone absolutely crazy past several months. Add 10 to 15% to each starting price. Value for money has reached a new low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Bidding is currently at €385k, the market is absolutely mad out there.

    I was showing my parents properties in Dublin and telling them what the current bids were or what they went sale agreed for and they genuinely shocked at the prices of them all.

    As the previous poster said add 10-15% minimum on to the asking prices these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,608 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    I would say adding on 10% is on the low side. A lot of 3 beds I've been bidding on in Galway have been going for over 20% over. One 4 bed went 35% over asking.

    There is another 3 bed that I know the owner wants 400k for, but it is listed at 350k asking. The owners have told a few lies about the property (local knowledge) so we pulled out early so I don't know what the current offer is on that, but I imagine they will be expecting an extra 15%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Some houses in Crumlin went up for around the 350k mark, all sale agreed at over 500k, it's ridiculous.

    We've stopped even enquiring about houses near our budget as the asking is nowhere near what the final price is ever going to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Underground


    €646k for a 2 bed seems absolutely insane. I assume it was in the nicer part of D14 around Butterfield Avenue or somewhere near there? Still absolutely mad price regardless.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    The last daft.ie house report had buried within it that in the cities the asking price for 4bed/5bed detached was up over 20% in last year. Something exploded in that segment. Very evident in Cork City. Any large family sized home ready to move into has gone beserk since last year. Once it was clear rates had peaked, it seemed to just light a fire under the market when it had cooled a lot back end of 2022 and into first half of 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Yes nothing is worth the money they are asking for. People are paying for overpriced houses out of desperation.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Many of these type houses are being bought to rent out. At the moment with the government paying €800 to each ukrainian the price per bedroom in a rented property stands between €1000 and €1500, so a 5 bed house will rent between €5000 and €7000, a great per annum return of between €60000 and €84000 before tax but enough to pay off your mortgage in no time

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Bielsa2020


    We recently signed contracts on a new build that’ll be ready early next year. We are using help to buy. When does the developer redeem the HTB from revenue? If it’s when the sale is closed early next year, we’ll have to reapply but it’ll also mean we’re entitled to a higher amount.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Bidding on a house at the moment, down to two bidders. "Best and Final offer" has been requested. What is the amount I should go to? For context, I have been bidding on the house for a few weeks now, I was the first bidder. No matter what Ive bid (1k - 5k) at a time, the other bidder has only been going up by €500 above. The Best and Final offer has been requested, is there a "standard" amount? The house is still within budget, so can easily bid another 10k+, but I dont want to bid 10K+ an in essence bid against myself, if the other person only has a "best and final offer" of significantly lower than the amount I would bid on. Is this simply the risk I need to take? Bid a huge amount of over in the hope I get it, whilst potentially costing myself several thousand, or bid low, and potentially lose the house?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭This is it


    I'm not sure when they claim it, but what you can claim is based on when the contracts are signed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Not particularly common in Ireland. Usually only when bidding has been really drawn out (500 and 1k increments will do that).

    Theres no right answer. It’s guesswork and the conundrum you face is exactly what the seller is seeking to create.

    Only advice id have is, if you really want the house, in 2 years you will barely remember what you paid for it and definitely won’t care than you could potentially have got it for a few k less. If you go low and miss out against a price you’d be happy to pay, you could regret that for a long time. All depends how badly you want it.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Yeah the other bidder has been dragging it out in €500 increments. I've been raising it by several K here and there and they just stick on €500 onto what I've been bidding. Very frustrating. Thankfully I do have a good bit of budget left and I agree, I'd rather have it than miss out on it later. Plus, 10k is only 5 months rent...



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,657 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I'd agree with DataDude, if you really want this housego as high as you're personally prepared to go here to buy it and don't fret about trying to be marginally ahead of the other bidder.

    I think if I was a seller in that situation, and one bidder had been bidding up in meaningful increments, only to be outbid by €500 each time, if you were within a few 1000 of each other, I'd be tempted to go with you even if you were lower.

    I'd worry that the 500 quid bidder would turn about to be a total pain in the ass once sale agreed with contract queries and closing, and would be looking for a few quid off here and there after survey etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Rougies


    100% bid the highest offer you can reasonably afford. There's way too much risk in losing the sale trying to save a few quid. A new 10k kitchen can wait a few years like. There are no "standards" in best and final offers. It's a horrible situation to be put in (I lost one before)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    A house in estate i bought is 70k above asking in a week of listing and 85k above what i paid 4 months back ! Although it’s probably 40k extra based on condition. 4bed duplex



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    A house I viewed a few weeks ago was advertised at 395K (which I knew was low). After first viewing I registered to bid bwas at €495k within the first 24 hours if viewing. House was worth about €470-€480 (on today's prices). It lasted another 48 hours before being taken down at €535k. 3 bedroom house with no rear garden, shared driveway down a keyhole road (so no on street parking). 103m2



  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,978 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    Absolutely this! It’ll be worth it if you really want the house and it gets the deal done. I’m surprised the EA has been entertaining the €500 increments tbh. We had someone do that when there was bidding on our previous place and the EA said to us it can be a red flag for someone who’s either a bit flaky, or is bidding more than they can afford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    prices insane past few months. I don’t believe many will get their money back if selling. Many EAs have a hard neck selling tiny old houses for between 1/2 million & 670,000.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Thanks. I did sort of flag this to the EA about the other party wanting to drag this out for some unknown reason (either waiting on another property or waiting on mortgage approval). I'm really hoping the EA takes this account, as of the 15 bids, I averaged €1500 per bid whilst their maximum was only ever €500 each time



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭yagan


    Helping prep the old mother in laws house for sale in an average town in county Tipp and I have people expressing interest before we've even got the ad up.

    It's an old 1930s council mid terrace house but walkable to all amenities and from what people tell there's a big interest in these for downsizers wanting to get in from their car dependent houses in the hinterlands as they get older.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    If you've a dialogue with the Estate Agent I'd just give them a call explaining that you're interested in the house as shown by your increased offers and ask them what the other bidders "best and final offer" is. If it's still within your budget then put in your final offer.

    Let them know that you don't want to waste their time or the seller's time with the nonsensical endless €500 bids. I understand people saying just bid the max you can afford but realistically no one wants to overpay anymore than we already are doing in the current market.

    We went sale agreed a couple of days ago, 45k over asking price it's been a very stressful couple of months so I understand your frustration with it. Best of luck with it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭FledNanders


    We were in this situation last year. We did actually go €10k up for our final offer. We knew we probably were overpaying by a few K but we were certain we really wanted the house as it ticked all our boxes, and 10k over the course of a 30 year mortgage is nothing really.

    It was the right decision for us for sure.

    Also consider the status of the other bidder versus your own. We were selling a house to buy and we knew we were up against a FTB so we figured we needed to go hard on our final offer as we were at a bit of a disadvantage in buyer attractiveness terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭DataDude


    There has been a dozens and dozens of variations of this comment since 2020.
    Yet the people who do buy find their neighbours is selling for €40k more a few months later.

    It always seems like terrible value when you’re buying, but 9/10 you look back a year later and see it as a bargain. I went through it myself.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Really good advice here (and from other posters) so thank you. I've contacted the EA with some of the suggestions above and have shown my eagerness to get this closed asap rather than back and forths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭forumdedum




  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    They've also been saying that for a year too at least!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    Bid the amount where you wont be upset to find out the other crowd got it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭forumdedum




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭VW 1


    What do you think will be the cause of a crash?

    Demand for houses is still far greater than supply. Credit is still widely and easily available for those with decent income, if prices get to a point where people are unable to afford to borrow then this will result in a cooling off or slight decrease in prices but not a crash.

    The one possibility for a crash is a global level recession affecting both jobs and credit availability but the US debt bubble is yet to burst to trigger that.



Advertisement