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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    This is normal enough behaviour in Canada, you hear a bell ring and a "on your left" and off they go.

    You'd probably get a dig if you did that in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Ah yeah, I forgot about the actual bike lane. How quickly I get used to them being there. 😂



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    But we aren't talking about a cycling lane in rural Donegal, we are talking about a badly designed one in the heart of Dublin city carrying large numbers cyclists.

    For me it isn't about bad behaviour, it is about bad design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    They need 2 lanes plus the bus lane(>like before), because its needed for a main road connecting North Inner City to North Dublin, Artane, Malahide, Clontarf, Sutton Howth. Its called properly fully utilizing all available road space. If you want trees and plants …then go to Fairview Park!!! 🙄



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    They would be equally wrong as you are in your sexist and ageist generalisation.

    Cop yourself on with that nonsense!

    There is a massive amount of research into cycling which shows that when you build high quality safe cycling infrastructure, it leads to significant increase in the percentage of female, child and elderly cyclists. It is just a statistical fact.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2021/mar/26/want-to-make-the-streets-safer-for-women-start-with-cycling

    Evidence from other countries shows that women are more likely to cycle than men when there is supportive cycling infrastructure in place, such as bike lanes that are well-lit and fully separated from traffic, and safe routes that facilitate diverse journeys (not simply commuting from the outer to inner city). In the Netherlands and

    Copenhagen

    for example, 55% of journeys by bike are made by women. In

    Paris and Lisbon

    , the number of female cyclists has increased with recent investment in protected bike lanes and other measures.

    Often the stated goal of new cycle lanes is to attract new, inexperienced, riders. The Griffith Avenue cycle lane, the stated primary goal was to create a safe cycle lane for children heading to school!

    BTW I happily class myself as a "nervous" cyclists. I've no interest in cycling on the road mixing with traffic, but happy to use a nice segregated cycle lane.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    Absolutely the correct decision to take, we don't need restricting our already stretched roads, If you want space please use the park that runs the length of Fairview Strand. " it would be better to have road as narrow as possible…" Eh WHAT!!!!! Its clear both yourself and Loco Scolo don't drive and have never owned a car. Clearly big fans of deliberately causing traffic congestion at the planning stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    I was referring to the outbound section between North Strand fire station and Edges corner in Fairview. There are no additional busy roads feeding into that section, so there's absolutely no reason to justify a second lane.

    Outbound from Edges corner to Malahide road junction can reasonably justify a second lane given that new traffic feeds in from Ballybough/Clonliffe/Richmond road.

    Maybe you should go hug a tree, if it makes you appreciate them more 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,440 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Pure tosh and whataboutery and throwing about some terms you've heard about makes your point no more valid, if you had ever used a bicycle for commuting to work or to get to an appointment somewhere then you'd appreciate the issues as discussed here, i.e. narrow lanes with no option to overtake.

    For someone on a bicycle momentum is everything, bikes don't have an accelerator you can step on like a motor vehicle, they don't have rear view mirrors to see behind, don't have superbright headlights that can be activated with one tap, don't have warning horns… So you see that adequate space for someone who wants to travel at a rate that gets them to work quicker than a bus or car is a perfectly legitimate thing to expect from modern infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,440 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Are you driving a Ford Raptor or something there Mr. Dallas? Not enough road space for your 4x4 pickup truck?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,017 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Leave earlier, if you normally encounter slower cyclists on your route.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Better yet, build the cycle lanes to the standard set out in the National Cycle Design Manual and you will have plenty of space for both types of users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    With that kind of thinking, there was no point wasting €215,000,000 on the Dunkettle Interchange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,017 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Actually, a similar situation to this one, the Dunkettle Interchange has improved traffic flows, because of constraints (Jack Lynch tunnel constraints) there have had to be compromises and the vehicle drivers have to be patient with slower drivers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,440 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    When you're talking to someone who doesn't cycle and has an (not so hidden) agenda against cycle lanes, you may as well tell them to learn Chinese…



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    What is weird about that is you would think most motorists would be happy to see more people cycling. More people cycling means less cars and thus less congestion.

    It is telling that Dublin is ranked as the 5th most congested city in the world, while Amsterdam is 36th!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,205 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Slow drivers can be annoying but generally the speed differential between a slow driver and a driver at the limit isn't all that much and even on a cross country commute might add up to only a few minutes. The speed differential between a slow cyclist and a cyclist doing 25-30km/hr can be huge. Cycling isn't going to work as an alternative to motorised commuting if cyclists end up restricted to young child speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Hard to judge completely because schools are only just back and traffic is only slowly ramping up into autumn but the bus commute from Fairview to Connolly Station does seem to be a bit faster now that the bikes have their own segregated lane. I'll probably have retired though by the time they complete the Malahide Road improvments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,244 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I’ve always found the buses slowed down cyclists on that stretch. They would be queued up at bus stops blocking each other rather than cyclists slowing them down.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Perhaps already mentioned, but a small section of the outbound cycle lane has opened from Malahide Road junction to Clontarf.

    When I was walking by I noticed a number of cyclists and e-scooters riding the newly opened outbound cycle lane in the wrong direction, despite the inbound section being open on the other side of the road! Sigh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    That corner is going to be deadly if you’re a car turning into St Aidan’s Park. The bikes/scooters will be unrestricted speed-wise. You can just about see them in your wing mirror.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,125 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    How would that be in any way deadly for what I assume you mean for motorists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Why can you only just about see something in your wing mirror. This is concerning. Are you wearing the correct prescription eyewear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Just an accident waiting to happen. So much street furniture obscuring your view as well. Be careful out there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,125 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Nope, nothing obscuring my view.

    All motorists have to do is only move forward when it’s safe to do so.

    Not sure what’s difficult about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    WheWhere exactly is your view obscured and by what? That should have been sorted by a road safety audit. There are many roads where this is the case around the country. Just last week I was driving onto one of the roundabouts at the Blanchardstown centre and when I got to the roundabout, there's a directional sign right there that prevents you from seeing cars coming from the right. Not sure who signed off on that one.

    An urban street is different though, speeds are lower and the driver must always be conscious of ped movements



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


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    This junction here. Driving up the Malahide Road and taking a left onto St Aidans Park Road. The bikes/scooters now have an unrestricted path to come round the corner at top speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    What are you talking about, they always did!

    You are turning from a main road onto a side road, you most give way to traffic, including bikes, going straight on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,017 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The speed differential between a driver at 70km/hr and a driver at the limit in a 100km/hr area is 30 km/hr, which is much greater than the speed differential between a slow cyclist and a cyclist doing 25-30km/hr.

    The thing is, no matter who you are as a road-user, if you can't slow down for someone travelling slower than you and be careful around them, then you are not a good road-user.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Sigh! I've only been using the bus on this route for years now so what would my experience count for. God forbid I should pass a positive comment about the infrastructure change from my point of view. I shold have realised that it's all about the cyclists.



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