Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Five years and "fully integrated" but still living in a center and subject to being moved around.

Is that really what people consider fully integrated? Why aren't they paying rent like the rest of us. How many years does it actually take? 15?

But why are they in a centre for 5 years I think is the point that’s being made

So that's it? The simplistic "stroke of the pen" whereby you simply treat asylum seekers like contraband cigarettes and — whoosh — major progress?

The problem here of course is that you are pretending that the moral distinction between cigarettes/cattle and people is a "Helen Lovejoy" lefty whine — and even if you do sincerely believe that, which I doubt — a stroke of a pen to remove the moral distinction still doesn't solve the practical differences in how you handle these things. Cigarettes are not biological sentient beings, they don't breathe and starve and can be stored anywhere quite uncontroversially, and of course destroyed. Cattle are animals we raise to harvest and slaughter — when crises like Foot & Mouth occurred, we systematically killed many of them and burned their carcasses as a method of combating the crisis.

The practices involved in the seizure of cigarettes, cattle or cocaine are simply not anywhere close to the complexities (practical and moral) of dealing with human beings, regardless of how much you believe that such moral and practical complexities can simply be erased by "a stroke of the pen".

"The government, NGO's , asylum seekers and even the lefties on here have admitted that the majority are not genuine."

I'm not aware that our government, or any NGOs, or any 'lefties' on here have admitted the majority are not genuine. I think you're another poster confusing somebody not meeting the criteria, for not being genuine.

As I understand the process the criteria for determining who is eligible for refugee status are actually quite complex and subject to ongoing change.

You'll see here the information the uk uses for determining asylum status for Nigeria alone. There are several hundred pages of documentation for one country alone.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nigeria-country-policy-and-information-notes

This is your claim, that: "The government, NGO's , asylum seekers and even the lefties on here have admitted that the majority are not genuine."

If you have something to support this claim feel free to share it.

I'm making the point, as I have done several times here, that none of us are aware how many asylum claim are 'genuine' or not. The only information I can see available is showing how many are adjudicated to have met the criteria, itself not truly an indication of a claim being genuine.

Yes these are UK country reports, used to aid in deciding asylum cases. I've seen similar published for other European countries. Perhaps Ireland uses a some way different approach but I can't see how a decision would be anyway reliable if the adjudicating officers weren't informed on the political, social and military conditions of the country a person is fleeing. Again feel free to provide further information on this if you have it.

It's not remotely clear what you're actually proposing we introduce 'at the stroke of a pen'?

Are you saying we should not allow IPAs full stop, and renege from the Geneva Convention? At a guess I'd say it would be technically possible but the consequences would be massive. Even actual far-right governments like Orban's don't do that, officially they just fail everybody's application and try to deport them.

'' The government is not considering two pay rates. The government wants to raise the minimum pay that a permit worker must earn. This means local workers can't be replaced by cheaper labour from outside the EU. ''

I am trying to get my head around this gaslighting responce to the link below. .

Well if the rates were the same the labour from outside the EU would not be cheaper !! There are 2 rates 13 per hour for EU and Irish , 15 per hour for non EU . The only reason for the change is to facilitate family reunification for non EU which will add to the numbers coming . I wonder how one would feel working for less than a new arrival .

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/2024/09/02/increased-pay-rates-for-work-permit-holders-could-lead-to-inequality-and-racial-tensions-minister-told/#:~:text=In%20the%20end%2C%20the%20increases,permits%20went%20ahead%20as%20planned&text=Inequality%20and%20increased%20racial%20tensions,the%20start%20of%20this%20year.

So your logic is it should be legal to enter by any means and this will work as a deterrant .

I'm not proposing any deterrent measures. It doesn't look to me that they've worked elsewhere, at least in a way we could consider here.

How exactly are you making the association between IPAs in Borrisokane, and IPAs in general being a drain on state accommodation and social welfare?

I've had a look on daft.ie and there's currently only one property available for rent in the area.

Have you anything at all to support this, or is it just more of the same tiresome and predictable IPA bashing?

Immigrant families in Borrisokane given a reprieve by the Minister, the system works…After a phone call from the Labour party's Spokesperson on Agriculture Food and the Marine, Committee on Public Accounts Alan Kelly too I'm sure....

And with the 100 or so locals in the town who protested in support of them, will raise funds or open their own spare rooms for the immigrants…

https://www.thejournal.ie/borrisokane-ipas-6480145-Sep2024/