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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    Single once off payment.… Famous last words, it was clear from tonight's news that this levy is far from once off, and is the thin end of the wedge as they'll increase it annually for every extra they can think off. The most frustrating part of the news report is that the massive increases in energy profits made by the utilities are not being mined to provide the infrastructure that enriched them, because " the legislation doesn't allow it" or words to that effect. Listen to the six one, its on player. The stats they quoted say that on average, a third of a utility bill is not for energy, (which is the most expensive in Europe). I suppose Tesco would love a model like this, where a third of your grocery budget only gets you an empty trolley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Yeah, I suspect your right, but what's the alternative then? Don't give them money they need? Let them go on the capital markets and source more expensive money that way, which will in turn mean (even) higher rates in 5 years time? That doesn't seem appealing to me either.

    Sinks of the Health system where 1/3 of the money spent is on "management".

    I don't see a good way forward. Everyone knows we need infra upgrades, that is clear as we're running a grid that was primarily setup in the 80's & 90's. I think this is a case of us just having to suck it up. Fortunately with all the government handouts for "energy crisis" and what not, FIT, etc I've not had a bill in 2 years.

    Getting in the Solar and a battery has already nearly paid for itself in 3 years - lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Are there price changes on the way from the major providers? Last year they all wheeled out their carts around this time of the year



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Wholesale costs are up.

    Month

    Day Ahead Market Price

    Price per kWh

    % Change

    July 2024

    110.94 €/MWh

    11.09 c/kWh

    + 0.3%

    June 2024

    107.72 €/MWh

    10.77 c/kWh

    + 0.0%

    May 2024

    107.70 €/MWh

    10.77 c/kWh

    + 21.6%

    Apr 2024

    88.57 €/MWh

    8.86 c/kWh

    + 2.2%

    March 2024

    86.63 €/MWh

    8.67 c/kWh

    + 2.4%

    Feb 2024

    84.62 €/MWh

    8.46 c/kWh

    - 15.2%

    Jan 2024

    99.85 €/MWh

    9.98 c/kWh

    + 12.1%



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Probably nothing new for anyone here but a nice accessible video from EMF on gas boiler efficiency tips.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭mjatkey


    Hi, yeah interesting stuff, we had a new boiler 2 years back and the installer left it on the "ECO" setting of 80deg. As soon as he left I turned it down to 60deg.

    Now if only I could get my Climote controller to integrate with HA (although I can do most things on the Climote APP) I could try running the sort of things on the video by just adding a couple of wireless temperature devices on the flow and return pipes.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think there's still a lot of the mentality that people leave the house unheated during the day and then do a blast of high heat for the evening to warm everything up quickly

    This works when the flow temp is high but sacrifices a lot of efficiency

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Can still blast heat at low flow temperatures, if radiators are bigger. Heat energy is heat energy and a small radiator at a high temperature will put out the same amount of heat as a big radiator at a low temperature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0903/1468039-climate-electricity-pollution/

    I'm somewhat concerned about this idea of considering all imported emissions as zero carbon

    On the one hand, I imagine the UK isn't exporting much gas generated electricity since it would presumably be cheaper to produce it here. So it's likely when they're exporting it's largely wind, solar and nuclear

    On the other hand, they still have a fair bit of coal generation which doesn't exactly throttle well so it's quite likely imported electricity isn't entirely carbon free

    In any case it sounds like the typical arrogance of paying for someone else to deal with your problems

    There is a plus side, wind and solar continue to rise, although demand seems to be outpacing it. Kinda wondering if the data center bubble is going to burst soon, so there might be a slowdown there

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    The green agenda is full of untruth. Zero emissions cars charged by electricity which is anything from 30 to 80% fossil generated. 'Sustainable' (I hate that expression) HVO diesel made from 'waste' cooking oils and animal fats, with absolutly no transparency about where all the 'waste' palm oil is coming from.

    Here's one for you, 'Ear to the ground' presenter Darragh McCullough writes in todays indo about his experience with his new EV, and his range and charging issues. He recounts that he paid €12 for a 100km fast charge in the Barack plaza, under pressure of time and range. It just occurred to me that herself's c220 can easily do 60mpg , or 4.7L/100km, on that kind of motorway run, thats100km on €8 of diesel at €1.70/litre, about €4.50 before tax. If the Electricity from the charger was taxed at the same rate. It would have cost Darragh €20 or more for his 100km. The whole issue of motive energy taxes is being ignored, but even now it doesn't makes sense if you aspire to commercial fast charging to replace fuel pumps. Add equivalent VRT on the vehicles , and no one would buy one.

    Government will not give up this revenue stream any time soon. If you make the point about home charging from your own solar, that too may not be exempt, no more than burning your own home made diesel or petrol (if it were feasible) for road use would br exempt from excise and taxes. The room is bursting with elephants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Jumping at the green bogeyman again? Pretty sure the room is bursting with smoke and mirrors, or clickbait and conspiracy theories more likely 😉

    Did Darragh mention the combined cost of the journey including home charging? Probably not because I'm guessing the content farmers threatened to butcher the cow unless it produces more clickbait headlines

    As for the supposed home charging tax or home solar tax, I'd love to see how that will be enforced. Is it going to be like the TV licence inspector going around looking for hidden antennas?

    Will there be a rollback in the incentives for EVs and home solar? Almost certainly yes, they've always been temporary in nature

    Will the government try to apply a 40% tax like they do on diesel to electricity generated by solar power? I'd love to see them try, it'll be a crucifixion at the ballot boxes for any government that does

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well this is an interesting one

    Disappointing lack of fires despite the thumbnail, but the quick version is that putting a mirror beside your heat pump to reflect sunlight onto the condenser might improve efficiency

    I imagine any reflective material should work, I'm pretty sure I've seen some shiny outdoor paint for flat roofs that could work

    One thought I had was, what if you put some dark foam insulation or something under the heat pump as well. If you can get the angle right you might make a little solar oven thingy just beside your evaporator which stores some heat from sunlight

    I do have some questions about heat pump design now, like why aren't the condensers better placed to take advantage of radiant heat? Instead they put the exhaust fan at the front to blow freezing air at me when I'm trying to drink a cider on the deck

    Maybe a fan pointing up and an all round condenser would be a more optimised design 🤔

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭The devils


    Has anyone recently bought or have any experience of panel infrared heater s - looking to get one for shed ?

    Tks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    Yeah, bought an Aeno last year to try out, 700w I think.

    First used it in large, open-plan kitchen/living area, didn’t really make much difference.

    So put it out in a garden office. Made a difference here as I had a convection heater that was heating the air above my head while my feet would be cold all day from lack of movement sitting at a desk. With the IR heater at ground level though, it was heating my legs and the desk itself, so provided a more comfortable heat for cold fingers and toes.

    Also if I was in and out of a shed throughout the day, I’d go with IR as convector heat will disappear every time the door is opened while radiative heat will make you feel warm as soon as the door is closed again, provided the heater is left on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭DC999


    Plus 1 to what Conor Mc says. Have one for wfh room and it's the only heating I use or need in the room.

    But..if needs to point towards you and be close. It heats the solid object in front of it (you). Won't heat the air like our normal convection radiators



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Exact same here. My large garden room / office (25m2 internal space) has no heating. A single IR panel (€100 or so) under my desk on and off does the job of keeping my feet warm while the room itself stays a comfortable enough 16-18C or so just from the inverters / batteries working away



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Tonight's super-moon has my 14 panel string at 7.4V and rising!



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Peaked at 9V, almost double what it normally is at night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    LOL, if we could get a panel powered by gloom. Ireland would be flying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Nah, the true energy revolution is to design a wind turbine powered by people complaining 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    quick question the auld lad has put into my head. He has a big field beside the house, guts of an acre, which is just lawn and a few apple trees. He is asking about ground-mounted solar. Are there any restrictions on what size of array you can put on the ground? I'd imagine, its down to size? Don't want to fall foul of a nosey neighbour calling the council.

    NVM, found it..


    Solar panels must not be installed forward of the front wall of the house
    Max area: 25 m2
    Max height 2.5 m



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well that just means you need planning permission for anything outside that, and given the push for renewables it's probably the best chance to get it.

    Maybe if there's some hedging to block the visual impact then it's more likely to get planning

    Also I could be wrong, but isn't a field covered under different rules than a domestic property? Certainly those solar farms popping up everywhere don't seem to be having any issues getting planning permission

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Yeah , but many if them putting in very detailed ,very expensive planning applications,

    A field by the house could well be classed as a garden , not sure if that makes much difference, but something in that scale is gonna need a level of planning ,

    And be seriously expensive to get off the ground, and even then , would you get permission for a licence to export on to the grid ,

    I assume the commercial guys are looking at hundreds of acres at the moment, as it's probably similar amounts of effort to get planning and grid connections, as well secure price guarantees

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭paulbok


    On a tangent to this, has anyone experience with renting out roof space (a large farm shed) to a solar company?

    A relation was asking me about panels recently, he has a shed near mine with an ideal south aspect. Rough calcs had the roof taking 80 panels, 4 rows of 20, so I guess around 35kW potential, with 28-30kWh achievable going by me production

    He's not looking to invest in setting it up and there would be minimal power usage from the shed, so rental would be the main income off it.

    I think the biggest cons/challenges to this might be the network line not being suitable for taking that much generation. That and having to sign up for a 20-30 year lease with God knows what clauses on it.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I have 12 panels on a SW aspect, agri shed (4.3kWp)(other half is NE)

    But yesterday the 12 SW panels generated about 20kWh

    So 80 panels could easily generate 160kWh on a day like yesterday. (As new panels are 400+ watt Vs my 360w ones)

    Single phase nc7 goes to 17 kVA (and you need a import MIC of at least that too. which would be the limit really, unless a new 3 phase connection is brought in.

    As for your relation, the standard array, on a 5kW inverter would have a fairly short payback as sheds are much easier to install than a house roof (cheaper mounts, a walkable roof etc)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭paulbok


    He's just looking to rent out the roof, would leave the technical side of it to the taker.

    He was asking more about the pros and cons of renting a roof, typical rent, length of contract and any restrictions that it may cause etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Well I recently found out from ESBN that you can get 20kva and 29kva connections on single phase too but it would involve new cabling anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,108 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes, to go above 16kva MIC (which you need before MEC) is very expensive and involves ground work.
    12kva to 16kva is not that expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    He's not thinking about commercial, just a different domestic setup. Roof is awkward for solar, so this might be an alternative. He can put up enough ground mounted to cover his usage and a battery or two. thats all he wants.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I have heard of urbanvolt doing it.

    No idea on how much, But very commercial orientated.. more of a solar as a service too. So not what your looking for.

    Also its likely 3 phase is a requirement.

    Yeah but 17kVA is still the limit of an NC7 on a single phase connection.



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