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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    God our politics in this country is fucked, there's no affective opposition what so ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,000 ✭✭✭✭blackwhite


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    Clearly the best and the brightest of proofreaders working in MLMDs office.
    Published 8 hours ago and they still haven’t copped to fixed the glaring typo at the start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    She and her party they just dont get it.

    How can a party be so incompetent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    It is easy to throw out comments about lack of govt engagement with the locals, but if the locals dont want the asylum centre full stop, how much difference does the engagement make in the end.

    The govt should engage, of course. But engagement doesnt mean peoples opinions will change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Eudaimonia


    Indeed there is a link and his comparison between 1980 and 1920 IRA IS accurate. In fact they were in many ways extremely similar. Whether it be Constance Markievicz committing war crimes in 1916, the inception event of the birth of the IRA in 1922, by shooting and unarmed police officer in the back of the head, or the IRA in 1930-40’s during the S-Plan Sabotage-Plan or the S-Campaign killing 5 innocent civilians in a bombing on innocents civilians in Coventry where there was 70 others injured - civilians were targeted, and therefore there has always been a link between the IRA back then in 1922 and PIRA. Correct the split in 1969 between the old IRA and the PIRA was caused by differences in opinion on strategies and tactics but the provos kept on the war crime acts of the early IRA of 1922. I’m sure there are other connections or war crimes acts by the early IRA where civilians were intentionally hit. My two examples above are suffice to show both PIRA and IRA 1922 and beyond killed without 1. distinction 2. Proportionality 3. Military necessity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Constance was batshit crazy, a bit like O'Donovan Rossa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    How can they be in any way similar when the world was completely different in the 1980s from the 1920s?

    Context is all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,412 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    It's beyond belief how a party can be so bad .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,849 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    no, i think she is saying putting people there wasnt a good idea and to stop putting people into areas without the proper facilities. she never said dancing with loyalists and shouting 'out out out' were things to be doing, but just because one happened doesnt mean the other point isnt valid. We are all adults and should realise these things.

    she's been saying the same thing for quite a while. not sure how thats a turnaround



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,849 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    does he have all the revelevant information? You are assuming he does, and assuming that by quoting a tweet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭JVince


    Plenty of facilities in Coolock. She's pandering.

    sf then go on saying that refugees should also be put in "better off" areas and seem to like mentioning Dalkey a small village that doesn't even have a hotel - but it makes for a good soundbite.

    She forgets that there are refugee hubs in Ballsbridge Dublin 4, Milltown Dublin 6, Rathmines Dublin 6, Rathgar Dublin 6, Dundrum Dublin 14, Blackrock Co. Dublin, Naas Co. Kildare. Probably the most affluent areas of Ireland

    Most people haven't heard of these centres because the local people didn't have much of an issue - probably because the local in most of those areas have a good level of intelligence and tend not to believe far right scaremongering bs that the people coolock and such places seem to soak up and believe without a shred of evidence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    SF are trying to get the populace to fight amongst themselves rather than shine a light on any of their policies. It's not a great sign when the main opposition is only interested in gutter fighting, Ireland suffers without a decent political opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    The O'Broin grand plan fIr leasehold housing will be the final nail for SF. Nobody will buy into that feudal system once the details are exposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,412 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    SF down to 18% in latest poll. FF on 21% and FG on 25%.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/poll-support-for-sinn-fein-and-party-leader-mary-lou-mcdonald-falls-again/a525885957.html

    One policy position may have wrecked SF's chances of being in government for at least a generation. They were at 37% in the polls before the immigration issue blew up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,871 ✭✭✭touts


    Mary Lou has to go. She has done the party great service in the past but she is looking more and more like simply the decontamination period from Gerry Adams the Terrorist to Pearse Doherty the Taoiseach. She needs to step aside and let the party move onto the next stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It was as much the way they talk to people who question it as much as any policy.

    Calling like long supporters Nazis because they disagree or question it was always going to be a vote loser. It's a wider problem with the left in how they interact with people who don't completely agree with them.

    FG had the same attitude problem for years and look at their electoral history, pretty grim for the first 80 years.

    Add in the obsession with Palestine. Personally I'm pro Israel, no hiding that but the obsession with Palestine is nuts, the time and energy given to it by party members makes no sense. Fixing potholes in Rafah has no relevance to Irish elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Mary Lou had to go because she has been around too long, that's it. Gone stale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,412 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I actually think longer term immigration will ultimately lead to a split in SF. There is such a disconnect between the ideals of many of their TDs on the issue and their working class base.

    They've been really badly exposed by it.

    I don't think there is any way for them to bridge that gap really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Doherty for Taoiseach is as laughable and lightly as Gilmore for Taoiseach was, then again SF are now just a replacement for Labour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,202 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Don't think there'll be a split because very few in any sort of seniority in the party hold immigration-critical views. They'll just haemhorrage support over the issue, though perhaps not irreversibly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,050 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A problem here is that SF's own working class urban voters don't even seem to be aware of the type of party they are supporting. Expecting a left wing 'social justice' party to be a right wing anti-immigration party is downright odd. It's as if these voters have bought into SF's populist and anti-government rhetoric, without noticing it's a party of left wingers.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It also highlights the stupidity of said voters, and how much of a supporter they really are/were….

    SFs share of the vote is about right now. They were over inflated with swing voters and FFG pulled a stroke of genius in hindsight by joining together to keep them out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    British and capitalist when their bottom line benefits.

    Completely all the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    tbf fair lad your more interested in conspiracy theories and slanderous lies though as you've already shown

    obviously the lads who actually run the organization want rid of mlm so hopefully she wont end up down a lane is south armagh like some of the other people they wanted rid of



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,849 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    I very much doubt MLMD will go anywhere, plus I think SF will probably do alright when the election happens. definitely a more realistic support base now once the floaters have moved on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭pureza


    SF will be re elected in the seats they won in 2020 and have a realistic possibility of going higher.

    Those not willing to vote FF or FG have no other home.

    SF's policies may be populist but they are more mainstream than ever,such that if they were in government,they wouldnt hurt the average voter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Dingaan




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