Russia-Ukraine War

With a promise from Uncle Vlad ……

Hazard a guess

( I'd give him max 36 hours )

This is what I think of everytime I hear that Belarus is concentrating troops on their border with Ukraine.

Also while adhering to Geneva conventions

They could attack nuclear plants, blow up dams, destroy hospitals/kindergartens/apartments and torture and kill prisoners like them “ordinary” Russians do with disturbing regularity

But they don’t, instead concentrating on military and regime targets

While we in west do **** all, if Ukraine loses will we do the same while its EU cities that get attacked in same manner next?

Bizarre. Ukraine has ALWAYS been looking for long range capability. 🤦‍♂️

Ukraine invading Russia and looking for long range weapons has no causal relationship.

Ukraine has shown massive restraint in the face of Russian barbarity throughout this war.

I would agree, that WWII receding from memory could be a reason. But one big reason is countries not having a free press. This gives their government carte blanche to do whatever atrocities that they want without their citizens having to know about it. When there is no shock or outrage from the people against the atrocity, the status quo is kept in leadership.

Depressing and bizarre. I don't think it's terror myself that's holding them back. Putin has been shown up to be a bully whose threats are almost meaningless at this stage. He'll do what he wants regardless of red lines. There was no line crossed for him to start his damn invasion. I think oil hit a decent price at the time, which is just as likely the trigger.

While its easy to slam the US, Europe has been holding back too much too and using similar reasoning that might as well amount to appeasement. "We'll help them fight you back but not enough that you'll actually lose". It still hasn't dawned on most populations that this is a European war. It hits home for me regularly in conversations among my own social circle. Those seeds of mass confusion and disarray are the result of a very long game that dictatorships like Putin and the CCP have played out via massive disinformation campaigns and every population has its fair share of edgelords, contrarians, peaceniks (call them what you will) to cause a quite viscous inertia against making, what history will hopefully show, the correct decisions today.

We in Europe have been sheltered from war for too long that we think it will never come to our doorsteps.

Putin was right, the West has gone soft.

All war is brutal and full of awful things, it is however only western or heavily western influenced states that take any heed of such things or have populations that care for such things or would view them as wrong.

I didn't mean the longstanding terror of Putin or Russia and "escalations", or Russian state collapsing into chaos if it loses the war etc. (and probably "terror" is too strong!).

I think there may be an additional fear (or a different fear if other one is waning with time?) in Biden admin. now (just a few months away from the election) that they change things up (e.g. further relaxation of restrictions on weapons use) the impact at home could be unpredictible, so steady as she goes. I think that's a mistake as war is unpredictible anyway.

I don't mean to blame the US, but they are the ones with the most weapons that can help Ukraine, they lead NATO and have a big effect on the policy of the other NATO countries in Europe more affected by the war.

Bar extreme circumstances, the others cannot or will not make big decisions themselves without the US leading or at least encouraging them.

Yes, I totally agree with you about how disengaged from it people in this country (Ireland) seem to be anyway. If following international news and events, they seem more worried and absorbed by the ME and Israel/Palestine etc., which is a bit mad on the face of it.

Sorry but I took you to mean that war crimes are something creeping back in.

You’re more transparent than you think. Your narrative is false. I already allowed you the last word, after repeatedly correcting you, because you have nothing else to do. But, here we are again. Either you or your fellow traveller seem to want to initiate nonsense. Try to grow up and stop derailing the thread. It’s like as if you don’t want this thread topic to be discussed. 👀

Actually, I’m done with this, spew your BS all you like.

He was born in Pretoria and grew up in South Africa. He has Canadian citizenship through his Canadian mother which he got when he was a teenager moving there and later also got American citizenship.

How naive do you have to be to think Russia signing up to anything means they will adhere to it? Ask the Ukrainians how much Russia's signature to any agreement is worth

236 different types of missiles and drones fired in Ukraine!

Give the Ukrainians what they need,and let them hit whatever they want inside russisa.

Get this damn "Special Military Operation" finished once and for all!!