Reporting Social Welfare Fraud

If it doesn’t say Ltd. after the name it isn’t a limited company. They are obliged to submit a form 11 to revenue annually and pay income tax (unless their tax credits cover the whole tax liability, then they just submit the form 11). This process is entirely between them and revenue, it isn’t anyone else’s business.

How are you seeing that they haven’t sent in form 11s every year? That information isn’t made public.

They have to register as one of those. If they are a sole trader, you can't possibly know what they've filed. If they are a limited company, they have to file. Seems like you don't know which it is, you mention a company name, but that company name might be what they trade under, as in "purple flowers limited" trading as " beauty scents" or whatever. If you don't know the registered business name you won't find the returns. Anyway, the in's and outs are for them and the relevant bodies.

My in-laws are on JSA and DA, plus they operate a nixer.

The nixer is not hidden, if you drive past the house, on a minor country road, there is a small sign advertising what they sell, and you can look over the hedge and see the activity.

FIL claims JSA, never looks for work, is busy at the nixer during some months.

MIL claims DA, but is not disabled.

They have received 100,000 in third level fees and grants for their children.

The nixer takes in 40k gross, I think, but there are costs out of that.

They recently paid 46,200 cash for an SUV car.

They have said to me "you'd be mad to work"

They can't be unique.

I'd say this is widespread, and common.

So I am not surprised at the OP's story.

Former students of mine worked for the DSP in Longford processing DA claims, and they told me that the main pressure from TDs is to get people onto DA.

I suggest you find a hobby, a husband or a boyfriend? You certainly have too much time on your hands. Perhaps you can help me with your investigative expertise.😂

I saw Micheál Martin leave the government buildings 5 months ago, with four security guards. This is a travesty!! Who is paying for this!! Why four, why not three? It's a scandal!!

Another time, I have the evidence!!! I saw him walking again with security! Last year in June, he was having an ice cream cone! I looked carefully I think it was a vanilla, looked like 3 scoops. Who is paying for this!! I reported him to Revenue 1 scoop should be enough! Three scoops could melt quickly, it's a waste of tax payers money. I'm so 😠

OP you will never know the outcome of the investigation unless the people involved tell you. So you can either keep reporting which sounds a bit like a vendetta or accept that you've reported, it's either been looked at & deemed ok or it is under investigation.

As for the registering a company name - my mam had her own private business for years. She registered the name so as to stop another business with a similar offering using the name she was. It was advised to her to do this. After that, as she was a sole trader & not a ltd company, she did not have to file publically available returns anywhere. Not on the CRO and not with revenue. Key word there - publically. Because she wasn't a private limited company (ltd) or a public limited company (plc). So all returns to revenue etc were handled privately between her, her accountant & them. She didn't have to have an accountant, she just decided to.

Also if they're allowed to operate a business under the rules of claiming DA, then why on earth wouldn't they be allowed to employ people if needed? In fact, if their disability means that they couldn't do as much as they might need to in busy times, it would almost be essential to keep the business going.

To my knowledge the only state benefit that you are guaranteed to stay on for life is the contributory pension once you are old enough to receive it.

Yes, also known as the dole.

Paid at the same rate as JSB.

Actually, the long-term unemployed on JSA get more than JSB, as they get the Xmas bonus. Great country.

JSA does not exist in the USA.

In Germany, JSB is 57-60% of former wages, while JSA "Hartz IV" is 449 per month in 2022.

We are one of the few/only countries to give the long-term unemployed more payments than the short-term unemployed.

Thankfully, this is due to change.

WE

We are crying out for staff in many sectors in ireland….i don't understand how some people are left on the dole for life and never contribute anything to society.

I suppose there's no votes in tackling it?

Some of the people on long-term JSA are unemployable, so i suppose it'e easier to simply pay them?

The Cork man responsible for the longest running welfare fraud, claiming his parents pensions, was himself on JSA for decades:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40809462.html

Of course they force you to look for employment, they will either refer you seetec who you have to engage with or recommend you do a CE scheme, if you refuse CE they will refer you to TUS which is much less of a voluntary option than CE. If you refuse that they cut your jobseekers. I’ve never heard of a person on jobseekers that has never had job activation measures forced on them.

…exactly, again, the underlying problems are largely psychologically based, and tend to be very complex in nature, we urgently need to implement health care related policies, to provide such individuals with their needs, and you d be better off just paying them more also, as they d simply spend this money into the economy, benefitting the businesses that receive such money, particularly sme's.

forcing them into employment or education and training simply wont work, as the underlying issues arent being addressed….

i have seen lads that age being forced into such programs, its disgraceful really, lads that worked since their teens…

What I don't understand is that there are folks out there who hand out all their private financial data to their neighbours.

I NEVER met any neighbour in my life who gave me any figures or information about his/her various properties or financial affairs.

Could it be that there are people here who post stuff they just made up?