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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,942 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    The Group A/B thing I think also does a disservice to who are not in A or B, or who don't feel they neatly fit. It bothers me how binary the world feels at times. It's not new, it goes back a while, but I think the web has heightened a sense of bitterness that's quite normal in public discourse. Coupled with media coverage where being first can go ahead of accuracy, if it bleeds, it leads and all that. The other thing the binary view does, imo, is create a sense of hassle. Hassle that you'll be seen to or that you must support A or B. We can all take a certain amount of non-personalised flack against our arguments, I think. It's when it becomes exhausting or tiresome to think about participating that gets frustrating. Or, do we even say, yes, I'll concede that or you've changed my mind, thanks?

    I found it interesting that the ignore feature came up earlier. I never made use of this on the current or old version of boards. It didn't appeal to me. No such thing exists if you're driving, all you can do is reduce risk and not get sucked into other people's drama.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I have a right to answer and defend against accusations which were incorrect . Those questions were at least made straight to my face . Big difference saying someone outside of here on another thread is" a liar . "

    If you got threadbanned for" calling someone out "you must have said something pretty objectionable . But its someone else's fault , is it , JohnJo ?

    You have come on here to air your own petty grievance ...perfectly illustrating my point .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I think you are correct - peoples views on most matters are not black & white. They are not binary or in group A or B exclusively. Based on their life experiences they have one opinion on one matter that might be considered very liberal but conservative on other issues.

    And therein lies an issue with both how posters interact but also how moderators take a view of posters. I can only properly speak for myself but it's clear to me that several moderators have formed an opinion of me and slotted Furze into one category. They have jumped to conclusions and failed to correct their prejudices. But I also have a good idea from others that they experience the same type of categorisation.

    What will or can be done about it? So that posters who contribute from all sides of an issue can do so without looking over their shoulders continuously. Who mods the mods in any effective way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Post away within the rules. How hard is that? Someone with 11k posts should know that by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Is that not a touch patronising?

    I and I believe others do post within the 'rules' as they are understood and we don't need to rehash them.

    Problems arise in the interpretation, implementation of these 'rules' and justification for actions based on these 'rules' by those moderating threads. This has been said again & again by many different posters. Is that not well understood at this stage? What prevails currently is not fit for purpose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    But its being said by 2 different groups of people.

    On one side there are those who, generally speaking, are able to comment and stay within the lines but who are annoyed by the apparent inconsistent moderation and on the other side there are those are struggle to stay within the lines and are also annoyed by the apparent inconsistent moderation.

    Even if the moderation is as inconsistent as people claim, and I'm not sure it is, its still pretty easy to not get sanctioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's true for sure that some are able to post away and stay within 'the lines'. Isn't that the whole point, because..

    It's also not possible for others to post moderate opinions and stay within 'the lines'.

    Why? Moderator bias and thread shaping. What's sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander.

    Look at any half controversial threads on CA / Politics etc. There are people posting away in a manner that has resulted in many others being warned and banned.

    For example, I glanced at the Enoch Burke thread earlier - the same group posting sexual innuendo and slurs at the objects of their derision. Going on many months now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It's editorialising.

    If there was just an admission of this people could adjust to avoid trouble. Instead we're laboring under the misconception that this is an unbiased platform.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your characterization of the site is far from generally accepted as true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Re the Burke thread, it's been made clear that most CA threads are not moderated in a conventional fashion; reports are relied upon. I haven't glanced at the Burke thread in months, but if someone thinks there are some objectionable posts on there, then the simplest thing to do is "hold your nose" and report them, even if someone might personally be against the idea of reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I don't ever see a need for bad language [aka fancy French] but bad tempered posters are a serious turn off. A lot of that kind of thing on the sports threads. Some folks just need to take a kitkat and stop of the Internet for a day or three.

    Dan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Except you deciding your/an opinion is "moderate" doesn't make it so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I guess part of the issue is that there is a number of controversial, or contentious, threads but the same “cadre” of posters populate the side of contention.

    A thread on trans or immigration “issues” will have the same posters taking the anti trans or anti immigrant side but various, different, users on the, more, compassionate side. This goes for a host of other threads too.

    This, then, leads to the same posters getting “sanctioned”, or threadbanned, on these threads so the posters on that side of the “argument” feel unfairly treated, as the same names pop up constantly. Whereas, the users, on the other side, getting similar treatment across the forum aren’t noticed as much.

    Now, it should be pointed out that a large element of posters can post their opinions without attracting mod/admin attention and stay within the rules. Or they get a warning, learn from it, and move on. Other users seem unable to keep their “cool” and continue to ignore the rules then feel attacked when those same rules are applied.

    Then they blame the mods.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    It just circles back to posters wanting to be allowed to post what they want with no consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Can I ask a genuine question?

    Why if you think the site is biased and editorialized and I think you mentioned having 100+ others users on ignore why continue to use the platform?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭archfi


    A thread on trans or immigration “issues” will have the same posters taking the anti trans or anti immigrant side but various, different, users on the, more, compassionate side. This goes for a host of other threads too.

    Whereas, this is a big part of the problem on boards - ANY questioning or debate on both of the above issues result in blanket false assertions where posters who raise any logical question on these matters are branded 'anti'.

    Which IMO, is the getout clause from discussion for a lot of posters on the 'compassionate' side, as you put it.

    For instance, 'anti-immigrant' and 'anti-trans' are awful phrases when applied with a wave of the hand to posters who are actually anti-illegal migration and anti-gender ideology - it's only a few extra letters which shouldn't be too hard to type for actual compassionate and hopefully, logical posters in most scenarios. You'd think.

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm using the ignore list because I routinely get abuse from people and when I try to defend myself I get warned and they get away with their abuse. To me that's a double standard and signals a level of editorialising.

    By ignoring those people I don't have to find myself getting warned/banned when they badger me. I just ignore the crap and have discussions with reasonable people, which seems to have upset a cohort of people who clearly enjoy the process of being a dick and getting away with it, which really isn't my problem.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    "More compassionate" made me laugh. I've seen that "compassion" in action enough times to know what a crock it is to describe it in those terms.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Thanks for the reply. Just a follow up, these posters who abuse you do you not report them instead of responding?

    In the second half of your reply you appear to want an echo chamber so back to my original question why bother use the platform?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I do report them, of course.

    I don't want an echo chamber , and I've never said anything that would give that impression so I take issue with that statement.

    I just don't want to get a permanent site ban for arguing with clowns.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Thanks for the insight and enjoy your weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think with the site being less popular now the 100 posters that you have on ignore would be a fair chunk of the remaining posters. That many posters abusing you does point to a larger problem. You are definitely going to create your own echo chamber if you are ignoring that many regular users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Not by choice. I've had enough of Dispute Resolution threads caused by defending myself from abuse from others who get away with their behaviour.

    I can't report posts atm because I'm jailed, I had one user on this thread post twice a couple of days ago baiting and badgering me, I PMd an admin who said that behaviour wasn't acceptable but they weren't going to do anything about it. The second post went over their heads until I PMd them again, no on thread warning was given, seemingly a PM was sent, so all this talk of sanctioning bad behaviour only cuts in one direction it would seem.

    Would you be happy about that?

    EDIT: Just to clarify my point regarding in thread warnings, a big point was made about editing posts to display warnings last weekend I had a couple of posts edited in that way a day after I posted them as did others. That wasn't the case this time around with the user that was going out of their way to harrass me, I'm sure they may well have been PMd about their second post but not editing their post to inform others that their behaviour isn't acceptable gives the impression that they did nothing wrong.

    The fact that they're still on this thread jabbing at me behaving exactly the same way, doesn't speak to them having been severely punished.

    Maybe they should stop following me around and get a new hobby.

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    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I wouldn't be happy with that scenario, so i guess that is the best approach for you. Your posting style does seem to wind other posters up the wrong way, even in this a feedback thread.

    I don't think I could have any meaningful discussions on the site if I ignored that amount of posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I have made sure to call out peoples poor behaviour on this thread so it doesn't surprise me that they don't like it.

    This site tolerates my presence, but if I act as poorly as the people picking fights with me I'm sanctioned and they're not.

    So as you seem to be able to understand, I've chosen to ignore those people and talk to people who can behave like adults.

    Glazers Out!



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    What does "being jailed" mean? I don't know how the warning system works.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Get three warnings and your profile looks like this...

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    Glazers Out!



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