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The decline of SF?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Eh, yes, Caroline is married to Brian (one of the leading conspiracy theorists in SF) so no surprise that Caroline supported Gemma, that is what my post said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have quoted directly from his own tweet and explained why I believe it is tantamount to dog-whistling racism, pointing out where it is inaccurate and misleading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    i dont care what you believe., i know the man and you are very very incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I believe 

    …is doing a lot of work.
    It's a dogwhistle BTW to claim that SF are exceptional in having husband/wife teams involved in politics or are exceptional in 'keeping it in the family' and then blithely ignore a post that contradicts you. It's been a common trait across Irish politics for decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    I'm neither wrong about the tweet which is fair comment and I'm not wrong about the passports being flushed down the toilet on Ryanair planes either

    O'Leary has documented that latter one as he is being fined for passengers that had a passport when boarding but have none once they arrive at the immigration counter

    A little common sense in posting here would be handy rather than a rush to tit tatting

    Fair debate like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There is no room for rational debate in politics when politicians like him are tweeting 80% of their stuff about immigration and a lot of it is lies.

    I am all for common sense, but the posting of lies like "we can refuse them" implying that we can turn them away straight away does not help on the immigration issue. The hypocrisy of then claiming to be left-wing from the same party sources is nauseating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    They can be refused if they're from a safe country

    At least from late next year,all 'legal' non EU citizen entrants to the EU will be finger printed meaning if they choose the tourist route in,they'll be caught

    Slowly but surely this migration problem is being confronted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So no need for the hysterical tweets from the dog-whistling SF councillor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If we ranted on threads about the tweets of councillors the site would grind to a halt



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    We will see a bounce in SF support at the next opinion poll with their refugee's only in places that can handle them policy

    The current kamikaze carry on in the government parties over the land hoarding tax will sèe their support drop

    The SF support will continue to rise and rise in the heat of an election campaign.

    Meanwhile more government party bickering will lead to a big fall in their support.

    Simon Harris has run out of steam amidst a growing lack of cohesion in government,it's undoing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Or he is orchestrating a government collapse? Seems to be very vocal about others around the cabinet table and issuing orders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is August, silly season for politics.

    You have identified two issues that will help SF, however, there are a long list of issues from the lack of leadership, the paucity of talent, the inability to coherently and cogently present policies etc., that will act in the opposite direction. Hard to know which will prevail. As I said in a previous post, there is still time for SF to get its act together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭mattser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    The electorate SF are after aren't over analyising the skills of T.D's in the way you are,their target audience will hear them on not letting single male blacks into their estates and the stupid zoning row is an open goal,a sign of things to come with government parties cohesion imploding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Their target audience only amounts to around 10-11% of the electorate, they are bottom-feeding going after those who are exercised about letting single male blacks into their estates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Mad to think these chancers were a shoe in to lead the government in the very recent past.

    I was ready to hold my nose and vote for them myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes, it is. Another reminder of the horrific legacy of SF/IRA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    I was referring to the amount of their target audience lost on account of asylum seekers.

    They're sweet talking those back,make no mistake about it

    An increasing lack of cohesion in government , already underway,will do the rest in welcoming a large increase in SF T.D's to the next Dáil.

    Buckle up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I see we are back to talking about ceilings on SF support. 😁
    Those not wanting ‘single black males in their estates’ have gotten a reaction from the government and Harris and nothing from the Shinners, they know who to support.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    Ah hang on,SF and their plans to put the sbm's in wealthy non shinner areas is designed to placate their own who have been hypnotised by the national party types and bring them back

    To say otherwise is insulting peoples inteligence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It’s designed to fairly distribute the load. Which is what they’ve been saying for yonks- a fair and rules based approach.
    FG FF and Greens are moving far more and gained support in the polls and you’d really be insulting intelligence to deny that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    I already proffered the theory that FG with FF on its coat tails are moving on because they are being more decisive than they were under the previous ditherer plus some honeymoon shine for Harris that will soon wear off.

    If you think saying SF's new (post EU and coco think in) line will wash with me,of no SBM's in poor areas by saying it isn't a sop to council estate voters who left SF because them immigrants are taking our money and houses,then its so bloody transparent,my inteligence is being insulted by your assertion yes

    It absolutely is an attempt to woo them back/stem the tide and its a clever move in my opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,421 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    SF have allowed the UUP (another party suddenly doing a handbrake turn to the right) to ban puberty blockers in NI.

    Doesn't tie in with their attempts to be seen as a liberal party in ROI. Always have to try hide how they act as a centre right party when in power

    Some of the louder twitter people who would have been pro SF are very pissed off with them this morning, so it is being noticed amongst the younger left voters they were trying to set themselves up as the natural party for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They never said what you claim:

    no SBM's in poor areas by saying it isn't a sop to council estate voters who left SF because them immigrants are taking our money and houses

    Here is what their policy says they would do:

    The newly published policy focuses on moving away from a system of private profiteering, recommends auditing areas before choosing locations for accommodation centres, and engaging in meaningful consultation with communities.

    Sinn Féin has long been vocal in its criticism of the government for not engaging in dialogue with communities where Ms McDonald said there are "well-grounded" frustrations and anger. Ms McDonald pointed out that the lack of transparency and consultation is something she has been raising since November 2022.

    The Government's claim that consultation has taken place has fueled the sense of anger and led to a "very unacceptable situation" that needs to be remedied rapidly, she said.

    Which is funnily enough much the same thing renegade FG and FF and Green councillors in the affected areas are saying too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    Its obvious what their policy means,its a vehicle to placate voters in more deprived areas not happy with refugee's

    It will work

    You can spin the language used whatever way you want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's a re-iteration of what they have been saying for yonks as the article points out.

    Sinn Féin has long been vocal in its criticism of the government for not engaging in dialogue with communities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    Well you're entitled to give an opinion on the new or as you are telling me,not new just readvertised/repackaged policy

    Its purpose to my eyes is the same and it will work,it should anyway

    Reassurance is everything for those hijacked voters,they've nothing else in common with the far right people their protest vote went to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If there is a purpose it is to keep the government honest as is their opposition duty. The government vociferously claim to be doing consulting and auditing even though their own people on the ground contradict this, I expect scrutiny of these claims to resume once the Dáil resumes business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Consultation and auditing are the dog-whistling. The same language has been used by the far-right as by Sinn Fein. They dress it up a little, but SF are playing to that audience. They all know (SF and the far-right) that any consultation and auditing process can be used to delay, to frustrate, to prevent, to block. That is what they have done already with house-building and public transport.



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