Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

@Leroy42

Surely the attempted coup, the sexual assault finding, and the 34 fraud cases are throwing this away.

Not really. I mean, you'd think so alright, but Trump had successfully normalised the sea of shtt around him and his appeal to his base was so visceral that they were willing to forgive or dismiss every criticism.

All that stuff was already included in the electoral calculus. If he stayed on message, even Kamala probably wouldn't be clawing the numbers back in the way she appears to have. His VP pick has also been disastrous.

Hubris is a dangerous thing and Trump's campaign has been making poor choices on the basis that they thought they were cruising to victory. Hillary had 'basket of deplorables' to pit voters against her. Trump and co have had questioning Kamala's ethnic identity at a black journalism conference, JD Vance slagging off single women and chief architect of Project 2025, Kevin Roberts, bragging on TV that the US was about to undergo a second revolution which would be as bloodless as the left allowed.

Yup, that was his pitch that swung the vote in 2016, eg.

Except he's no longer "something new" he's tired and old and Americans know exactly what they will get under Trump - especially. Black. Americans.

All of that is true, but Trumps/Vance complaint that Harris hasn't done an interview has merit and it betrays, IMO, the fear they have.

The gains that Harris has made is not because of anything she has done. Rather it is the removal of the obstacle of Biden and the new energy showing up the paucity of Trump that is the issue. How can Trump counter that? And that is why I am of the opinion that it isn't down to a lack of focus or a need to stick to policies. These would help but Trump has never done that so expecting him to chance now seems odd.

IMO, the race has fundamentally shifted because the drag of Bidens age, must like the drag of HC unlikeability was in 2016, has now been removed. There is really nothing to persuade any undecided voters to vote for Trump

I think Kamala Harris has got off to a very good start, but honestly I think a lot of the enthusiasm is relief that there is a possibility of defeating Trump.

The tedious, bitter, gloom and despondency that is Trump's campaign and the potential for his 'minders and advisors' to do real damage in the White House - once he is in he will have no interest in actually doing anything that requires attention or concentration - is very real; Kamala only has to do no damage for the country to be in a better state than it would be under Trump's reign.

I'm not entirely convinced that she would be a great president, she is on a wild wave of enthusiasm at the moment, but I sincerely hope she gets in, the rest of the world will forgive a multitude of minor sins just to not have to cope with Trump. At least they will be able to trust her with international intelligence material.

He was the incumbent. Can't discount that - it is difficult to defeat incumbents, if Convicted Felon Trump hadn't made such a hash of Covid in the US, he likely would have won. It's in the last 4 years, when he's been out of office and doing nothing at all positive for the country or anyone, except himself, that Americans might be waking up to just how awful he is.

As the biological solution takes care of elderly voters in the US and more of the electorate is younger, candidates that appeal to younger voters will do better. Harris (no youngster herself) knows this and issues that younger voters care about, like housing and abortion rights and civil rights are foremost in her campaign. Convicted Felon Trump is a reactionary at best, besides being a narcissistic sociopath. These traits won't endear him to the young. Vance is out and out weird with his child obsession. Creepy is in common use to describe him.

Carter was the last incumbent Democrat to lose. Clinton, despite the rise of the right wing media then, won reelection handily. Obama won reelection handily.

GWB won reelection 2004 , by a larger, though not huge, electoral college margin, 35 votes. He lost one state (NH) he'd won in 2000. He also won the popular vote. Incumbency helps a lot.

If Harris as VP is viewed as an incumbent then Gore in 2000 would be the most recent Democrat incumbent to lose.

It's an achievement but he equally got beaten by the largest vote. So it's pretty meaningless if he didn't get reelected. All indications are that the Democrats have an energised base that are both campaigning and intending to turn out. Trump doesn't appear to have an energised base. His support is dwindling and he's in all likelihood going to be eviscerated in any debates.

On top of that, during the last election he didn't have to deal with the issue of January 6th, being a convicted felon and a rapist. Those issues aren't gonna win him undecided voters. His bizarre rants at the moment aren't gonna win them over either.

@Rusbot222

"Elect Kamala because she's black!"

Who's said that except for you?

Gender neutral prayer room anyone?

https://www.christianpost.com/news/dnc-features-gender-neutral-prayer-room-all-gender-restrooms.html

The left of today particularly over there has gone too far left, it's radicalised to the point of common sense went out the window …..there's no discussion to be had with it's followers, they are dictatorial

Yeah, sorry, that was actually a typo. I should've flagged that earlier. My apologies. Agreed, the media today is a sewer - as bad as the relentless attacks is the major media sites giving Convicted Felon Trump the free ride they give him. But, corporate media owned by so few owners, and the desperation for clicks, means someone like Convicted Felon Trump who is a 'good earner' gets slack, just like in the Mafia.