Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

Why would that matter. Apparently spending money is socialism to you. Or earlier it was communism. You seemed to think under communism there was corporation tax earlier.
So how about for starters, you explaining what is socialist about what Harris doing and why is it socialist when stuff from Trump like raising tariffs isn't.
You are the one chucking out labels like confetti without supporting them, so they can just be dismissed as easily.

Yeah, what else would injecting that bleach do you? And don't you think the President of the US should ask these questions in private rather than irresponsible public talk which lead to…

Calls to poison centers have increased in a number of states following Donald Trump’s suggestion last week that disinfectants be considered a possible treatment for the novel coronavirus.

https://www.poison.med.wayne.edu/updates-content/kstytapp2qfstf0pkacdxmz943u1hs

If anything, it’s impressive just how low they can go. When you think they’ve found the bottom of the barrel, they somehow manage to go lower.

Yesterday they had Ron Johnson on claiming Walz might be a Chinese agent because he got married on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square - the massacre that China famously never talks about and wouldn’t like any attention drawn to. Oh, and this is the same Ron Johnson that took a mysterious trip to Russia on the 4th of July.

It’s incredible how desperate they are to find anything to complain about.

It starts going down steeply in 2019, well before COVID had any effect. The user whose post I replied to was claiming that it was "easily explained by covid". I suggest this is not the case.

And as everyone knows, when you're secretly a foreign agent or engaging in any kind of secret conspiracy, it's absolutely mandatory to leave tenuous clues hinting at the truth that are so well hidden that only really super smart people (like Ron Johnson, naturally) can figure out, but also just vague enough that nobody will believe them even when they point it out.

See we are back at this level.

I wonder if the health care that people can decide to avail of and the other welfare payments provided here are socialism?

Excuse to do or not do what exactly?

Irrespective of who wins, America is a bust idea. Its fractured, along 10 different lines.

More irretrievably than it ever has been before. In reality, America would endure far better as a loose coalition of 6 or 7 blocks, not the tense federation it is now.

And so whoever is President, is really just a firefighter for four years. Doing their best not to make a bad situation worse.

Surely the attempted coup, the sexual assault finding, and the 34 fraud cases are throwing this away.

When, at any point, has Trump ever been laser-focused on issues? People are looking at Trump now and saying 'if only he would do this.." when he has never done anything remotely like that. He has no policies, and anything he does say is clearly nothing more than a sound bite.

He beat HC because she was so disliked and the US were looking for something different that HC didn't offer. While she may well have been the power behind Bill Clinton, he had the charisma and ability.

Biden beat Trump in 2020 because the US had figured out that while they still want change, Trump is either incapable or uninterested in delivering it. His complete failure in handling Covid proved to many that while he may be fun, and generate funny memes, when the tyre hit the road he failed the country.

The latest polls seem to be being taken as a falloff in his real support and that by changing his approach he will get support back. I read them differently. He was doing better due to Biden. People, well before the disastrous debate, didn't see him as lasting the next 4 years and thus were reluctantly opting for Trump.

That is all changed now. Trump is now the old man. And all his faults and shortcomings are back to the forefront. Maybe changing from who he is, who we all know him to be, might help him regain some support, but he can't keep that up and he will continue to offer example after example of how unsuitable he is for the job.

Its a two horse race, so never say never, and there are sure to be many voting issues that could have a big impact, but thinking Trump has the ability to change is a very odd position to take.

i agree with this. Hard to argue that HC was too disliked or too unpopular when she won the popular vote by almost 3m. She lost because of the arcane electoral college. She would have won by the standards of any other normal western democracy.

She was disliked by enough people that they were willing to overlook Trump's clear unsuitability for the job. He was excused (Access Hollywood tape etc) for many things that would have sunk any other candidate on the basis that while voters didn't agree they just couldn't vote for HC.

She won the popular vote despite her failings. Had Obama been running, or Biden or many others then Trump would have lost. But just as Trumps lead was, IMO, down to the issues many voters saw with Biden, so his win in 2016 was down to the issues with HC (not helped by Comey reopening an investigation a few weeks before the vote!).

Harris doesn't have that baggage. She might be seen as uninspiring by some, that is a far cry from the hatred HC carried into the election. Thus I think that the latest polls reflect a reality of where Trump can get to, not some sort of fall off in his level.

But did the centre ground 10% who decide US elections really dislike HC to that extent? Surely that vast majority with a strong personal animus against her would be overwhelmingly committed Republicans (and let's be honest men) anyway…

But isn't that the kind of inevitable flipside of running a safe, centrist establishment candidate against a charismatic but somewhat wild insurgent, that a lot of people are going to find them a bit dull and uninspiring. Surely their broad preferability to the centre ground should more than outweigh the somewhat meh quality of their candidacy. In theory anyway…