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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Looking at the last few pages it's clear the Dems had a fantastic night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Could you type that again please, but this time in English?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,311 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Capitalism is supposed to be about competition between business, and this competition - this free marketplace - is supposed to benefit everyone because businesses must always be figuring out how to provide a product or service better and cheaper in order to stay on top.

    You say that Capitalism always tends towards monopoly and price gouging. I agree, but this is true in the sense that all societal and economic systems are eventually gamed by people in order to figure out how to selfishly benefit them instead of wider society. These systems are a function of the humans which comprise them and so are inherently imperfect.

    Like any competition, Capitalism needs a decent referee to adjudicate and ensure that the spirit of the thing is being adhered to. A big part of that is seeing that the free market is not made unfree by one massive competitor controlling the market and setting the rules.

    If that doesn't happen, then what would eventually come about is that the worst excesses of Capitalism become the norm and people revolt, and would the resulting system be any better?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,759 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Neither do you, presumably.

    Trump gets bashed because he's a walking slug. A selfish, joyless, criminal narcissist. A self-serving, egotistical, malignant sociopath and fraud. A cheat and a scab. A philanderer and a despicable sex offender.

    Leaving aside the Mugabes and the Milosevics, the Ceausescus and the Pol Pots, the Honeckers and the Galtieris - Donald J. Trump could well be the worst example of humanity in a senior leadership position anywhere in the World in my entire lifetime.

    And if you can't or won't see that, then perhaps this isn't the thread for you, chum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Doc07




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,953 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That is pretty weak and a desperate attempt at false balance.

    Several of them are "yes Trump said this but then said he wouldn't do it when people didn't like it". That's just his modus operandi - he lies to people's faces to tell them what they want cause he's terrified of conflict. This bit has to take to cake though

    On Medicare, Trump has said during the 2024 presidential campaign that he will not cut the health care program for seniors.

    During his presidency, Trump released four successive annual budgets that proposed cutting Medicare. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    You forgot to mention that he is also Putin plant who stole the 2016 election, tried to blow up the clouds, told people to inject bleach, called dead soldiers "suckers", farted and snoozed his way thru his latest court case, called white supremacists "fine people", lied 35,000 times whilst in office, appointed a rapist to the Supreme Court, tried to blow up George Floyd protesters so he could take a picture in a church, tried to overthrow the government, tried to hijack his own presidential limo on Jan 6th…I'm probably forgetting a few!!

    I have to say, I am thoroughly enjoying this election cycle for pure entertainment….this thread alone is a great read!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    This doesn't read like it was written from a purely fact driven, non biased side.

    Example:

    Biden: “And you know, Trump will do everything to ban abortion nationwide.”

    Since April, Trump has repeatedly said he believes abortion legislation should be “left up to the states.” Trump also told reporters in April that he wouldn’t sign a national ban.

    As president, Trump endorsed a 20-week national abortion ban that House Republicans backed. Earlier in this election year, he floated support for 15- or 16-week federal abortion bans, news outlets reported.

    Trump hasn’t said whether he supports other ways abortion could be restricted across the country, including using the Comstock Act to ban mailing abortion pills or other equipment used in abortion procedures.

    This is if you take Trump at his word. I have no idea what he has done to deserve that. Think of the supreme court justices that voted against Roe Vs Wade, despite saying it was "settled law".

    DNC video advertisement: Trump said, “There has to be some form of punishment” for women who have abortions.

    Mostly False.

    Trump made this comment during a March 2016 MSNBC town hall, but the ad failed to acknowledge that Trump walked back the comment the same day after facing criticism. He said it was doctors, not women, who should be punished for performing outlawed abortions.

    In the years since he made that statement, we found no evidence that Trump has repeated it or that he currently supports penalties for women who get abortions.

    But he did say it, so it's mostly true. The ad does not have to acknowledge that trump walked back the comment. It is a fact that he said it there and then. It was not a video manipulation.

    Biden: “On (Trump’s) watch the murder rate went up 30 percent, the biggest increase in history.”

    Half True.

    The number of murders in the U.S. rose by 5,795 from 2019 to 2020, when Trump was president. That’s a jump of about 35 percent, making it the largest one-year increase since such data began being systematically recorded in the early 1960s.

    However, crime data analysts generally attribute most of the reason for the murder spike to a confluence of the coronavirus pandemic and the social upheaval following George Floyd’s murder, not Trump’s actions.

    The reason is neither here not there as that was not what was argued or stated. It was merely stated that the murder rate increased by over 30% while Trump was in charge.

    It's a fact that the murder rate increased by 30+%, Trump may not have caused it through any direct action, but it was under his watch.

    Biden: “We have 1,000 billionaires in America. You know what their average tax rate (is)? 8.2 percent.”

    False.

    Today, the richest Americans pay an effective tax rate of more than 20 percent on the income the government counts under the current tax code. Biden’s 8 percent figure compares their tax payments with an amount that includes income that is not currently taxed under law. This makes it a theoretical figure, not something anyone is supposed to pay under the law.

    I find this one hilarious. They say it's false because it would only be 8% if they were taxed properly? It reads like if they didn't take advantage of all the loopholes and expensive accountants, they would pay 8% of their income as opposed to 20% of their taxable income.

    Pull the other one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    And you are posting in it … by doing so making you a . . . . .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Her crowds are so enthusiastic …it's fun fun fun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    That's a disingenuous question to be asking Harris supporters, Harris was stashed away from the public for the last four years because she was even more unpopular than Biden…apart from the Border job that is….and to be fair, that didn't go well!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I said she was stashed away from the public. Which she was, because she was a mess every time she appeared in public…she was even more unpopular than Biden, I've no doubt she was working, none of know what she was doing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Of course it wasn't…and forcing Biden off the Presidential ticket wasn't a political coup…

    So who's job was the border then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,773 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Well Trumps Republican lickspittles in the House bent the knee and blocked the deal agreed in committee... cos Trump just wants it as a political football so he can spew racist vomit about immigrants.

    Does that answer your question?

    Of course if you actually cared about the border you would already be aware of this point.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Democrats over there are genuinely bat **** crazies …round of applause for this

    I 'd be full sure many of these convention goers are plants or paid ……on both sides

    why are so many on here so enthusiastic about it all, not American can never vote guess it's a bit like picking a side in sport and all the rivalry that goes with it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    So Trump, even out of office is to blame…sorry, I should have guessed, he's responsible for the runaway inflation too…and the energy prices…I keep forgetting, can we pin the state of San Francisco on him? Is there anything Trump isn't to blame for can I ask?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,311 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If that statistic is correct, it means that he told approximately one recorded lie for every single hour he was POTUS. Some going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Up until a few short weeks ago, the regulars on here were convinced he was in great shape to win reelection…how times change!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,103 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    100%. GOP were all set to approve and pass the bipartisan bill until Trump decreed that they stop the bill as he didn't want Biden to get the kudos.

    So the state of the border is definitely due to the GOP.

    But who is to blame for the failure to build the promised wall? Who is to blame for failing to get Mexico to pat anything towards it, never mind pay the full amount?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,953 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Oh noes, the old man with a stutter stumbled over a word. That's the worst thing a president has ever done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No need to guess.

    Im not the one "just asking questions" about the border who seems unaware of the need for legislation in the US to be passed by Congress, and that a bipartisan bill on the border was blocked when Trump ordered Republicans in the House to do a flip flop on it.

    Trump is a leader of the Republican Party who are in power via their majority in the House.

    For Trump and then his Republican stooges opposing Biden was more important than trying to solve a problem they'd been claiming as a crisis.

    There is only one party in the US trying to govern responsibly.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    A few posters put me in mind of a great old song/recitation, 'Life gets tedious, don't it'. Spouting the same ould sh1te, over and over again.

    Tune in to the Dems, look forward, be hopeful and build a better country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,366 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I dont think anyone ever said that. Just that he was considerably better than the criminal who has confessed to having memory issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,965 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It's a mispronunciation of words. Literally. He's reading off a teleprompter and stumbled over a few words. He's not wandering round Walmart in his pyjamas crying because he forgot to do his homework before school.

    He's someone who has historically suffered from stuttering, and is now 81, and he mispronounced "electoral" as "electrical" and took him a few seconds to get his word right. That's all.

    I think he definitely needed to step down as it's undeniable that age is affecting him more and more and was almost certain to cause the Dems the election, but at the same time the over-dramatisation of "cognitive decline" when he stumbles over his words a bit is absolute nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,103 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And particularly galling when Trumps rambling, incoherent and nonsensical rants, involving messing up people's names, place names, details etc and almost nothing is said.

    Sure that is just Trump seems to be the way it's treated.

    Nobody can honestly listen to any of his speeches or answers and not be concerned about his mental capacity. To call out Biden without any mention of Trump is massive hypocrisy



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