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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    Well you got to have a really .. I mean really high IQ to attribute that to someone with a low IQ ….. us peasants cannot see this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭Field east


    is it not going to be substantially ‘level pegging’ until it comes to the six swing states. My understanding then is ,irrespective of the number of voters voting for either canditate, that the individuals who make up the electoral college decide who they want to vote for irrespective of the popular vote. And DT has very strongly hinted that he has the majority of them ‘in his pocket’ to win the election. Did he not encourage voters not to vote - there is nips need to.
    Any boardie out there know how the individuals that make up the electoral college are identified /elected/mandated?
    If the above is true, then we are in dangerous times.

    I understand now why some boardies are saying that KH would need to win the popular vote in some swing states by 10%+ so that the College will find it very hard to cast their votes contrary to the popular vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭crusd


    The amount of otherwise seemingly intelligent people who have been convinced this nonsense is the case by the uber wealthy is staggering. Volunteering to be modern day serfs for the overlords who one time controlled the land and used the people to exploit its value to only their own benefit and now control infrastructure and resources and use the people to exploit its value to their own benefit.

    And its not a capitalism vs socialism discussion, its a feudalism vs economic independence discussion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd just like to say, can we never use the words "level pegging" in Trump related threads, cause it's all just too easy to imagine. *Gets coat*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭crusd


    😂 Socialism. In the minds of MAGA loons. In the real world the Democrats are right of centre. Maybe Bernie and AOC may be a smidge left of centre.



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  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Journal did a nice timely update on the issue last night. I know that she has already addressed protestors at previous campaigns and I'm aware she wasn't present during Bibi's visit to congress which is probably more relevant all things considered.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/gaza-protest-dnc-6467035-Aug2024/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭crusd


    I’m not sure what that means, is it a jab at me for having a high IQ, 

     I did steal Comrade Kamala from x (thanks Elon), but I did come up with USSA all by myself, pretty chuffed at that so I am.

    Hmmm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    It really is amazing it could be the word "Weird" that brings down Trump and stops him being re-elected

    Not his awful record as President not his treasonous crimes or his financial crimes or his conviction in civil court for sexual assault no none of that it was the word "Werid".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Honestly it feels like the time the boy pointed out that the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    To paraphrase Tywin Lannister, any man who says they have a high IQ, doesn't have a high IQ



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It has been hotly debated but the actual text of the US Constitution reads “"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." This supports my interpretation. And I can play Founding Fathers thoughts on the subject as well as you… John Adams: 'Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.'

    And SCOTUS has been wrong before and have corrected their thinking in the past.

    I tried watching Biden’s speech at comrade Kamala’s coronation. I really did. The lies and dishonesty ultimately became too much for me and I had to turn if off when after railing against Trump’s “very fine people” remark remark about both sides in the Charlottesville protest, Biden says “Those protesters out in the street. They’ve got a point.” of the pro-Hamas destructive demonstrations outside the DNC and the violence and riots we've witnessed on campuses.

    And re the “mainstream media nonsense” earlier comment, all I could think of regarding people who say things like this is they are in the grip of delusion. The US mainstream media betrays all journalistic integrity when it comes to Trump, yet have no problem turning a terrible candidate in Kamala Harris into the Second Coming. They demand Trump answer tough questions but give Harris a complete pass. They continue to preach to us the proven LIES that Trump conspired with Russia to win the 2016 election, that he praised neo-Nazi marchers, that he advised Americans to inject bleach, and that he promised a “bloodbath” if he loses in November. They believe Trump is an existential threat to democracy and a fascist, and therefore feel their utter corruption is heroic. That is our mainstream media… void of self respect!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭randd1


    What I don't get about the MAGA crowd is that they love socialism!!!

    All those failed red states being propped up by blue state federal taxes - Socialism.

    Red states having the highest rates of poverty. Combated with social security - Socialism.

    NFL draft - Socialism in sport.

    Subsidized healthcare - Socialism.

    Support the police. Police that are paid by taxes - Socialism.

    Public education so working class children are not priced out of education - Socialism.

    Minimum wage - Socialism.

    It's almost as if they're too thick to know what it is. I genuinely think that Trump is only as popular as he is because so many Americans have become dumber and dumber. Homer Simpson look like a genius compared to them.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's not so much that they can simply "choose" who to vote for, typically they are obligated to cast their votes for the winner of the popular vote in their state.

    However , the people who certify the results - What we'd call the Returning officer here have the ability to refuse to certify the results or to challenge the results delaying certification - Something that has been made easier to do in Georgia recently , although it's being challenged in the courts.

    One of the things that Trump tried and failed to do last time was to delay those certifications (they all have to be submitted by around December 12th I think). If enough States votes remain "uncertified" and no candidate can reach the required 270 EC votes then the decision goes to the House and Senate - The House pick the President and the Senate picks the VP - It's called a "Contingent Election"

    In the Senate it's a straight up vote with all Senators voting so with the current state of the Senate it's unclear what happens as there is disagreement on whether the VP can cast the deciding vote.

    The House is where the big problem is - Each State gets a single vote and that is decided by which party has the most seats in the House from that State.

    By those rules, today the GOP have 27 votes and the Democrats have 23 - There is no obligation for the House to take account of the actual result in their State when casting this vote , which is a huge problem.

    This is potentially the much easier path to screwing with the result as if they can simply hold up the certification long enough it triggers this scenario , Trump wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭crusd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Every time I come back to this thread there's pages after pages of nonsense from accounts mostly on my Ignore list, are they getting a bonus for making additional nonsense claims and posts this week?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,678 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Technically speaking for it to be socialism the means of production have to be in public ownership

    So for example taxes going to a state run agency which provides social welfare could be considered socialism

    Paying tax money to a private company owned by the governors friend's nephew to administer social welfare to "save money" while somehow costing more than a government run agency is not socialism

    This is how small government ends up working in reality. It's political suicide to end social services, but conservatives love slashing the number of government employees. So the end result is that it gets contracted out to a bunch of private enterprises who start treating their government contracts as a money printer. In the end it would have been cheaper to just use government employees

    If you look at Medicaid as an example, it isn't true public healthcare in the same sense as the HSE or NHS. Instead the US government pays private healthcare providers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭Rawr


    So Harris is now….stupid?

    Do we really want to go down the Intelligence route MAGA folks? One canditate went to College and had to pass an extremely difficult Bar exam. (On the second attempt no less, with a fail rate well above 1/2 the potential canditates)

    While the other canditate (Donnie "the Stable Genius" Trump) has had all of his school results hidden.

    Doesn't compare very well when Mr. "Let's Nuke a Hurricane" doesn't want you to know his test scores…does it?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I don't disagree - The utter Chaos that would descend would be cataclysmic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seriously? "you all knew?" Scutter.

    As for who is dim, well…. got that mirror?

    Oh, I think Donald's in the throes of narcissistic personality disorder, but 'mad as a box of frogs' really isn't the right metaphor.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I haven't excused or even discussed any of Trumps (many) issues. It's irrelevant to what I am saying.

    The election is in the balance because at the moment because Trump supporters and Trump haters are both equally passionate about their opinion of him.

    The reason I say Kamala is a bad candidate, is because it was evident at her previous failed election campaign, her own party didn't think she was the right person. I haven't seen her do anything of any real signifigance to have swayed anyone's opinion since then. But with Biden hanging in there until the bitter end, they pretty much painted themselves into a corner and left themselves with no option but to go with Kamala.

    I don't buy into TDS. It's never said it was irrational to have issues with Donald Trump. His past/present behaviours are all there to see. It's all well documented and it's completely understandable to want anyone with him be made president.

    If our political system was like America's and it came between having to choose between Simon Harris and Paul Murphy, I would vote for Simon Harris. That is because I oppose Paul Murphy, not because I like Simon Harris. But I don't think I suffer from MDS. I just have to pick who I hate less.

    I understand the pageantry behind American politics and the "rah-rah" mentality of backing your less-hated candidate, but I do find it a little "icky" (to use my daughters favourite phrase) for a lot of people (not singling out posters here, but in general) to pretend to have faith in Kamala where they didn't before.

    I think that is the difference between the two bases.

    The people who love Trump, love Trump. They are confident in his ability and actively WANT him to be their president.

    They are the only ones that will vote for him. Trump will not attract "undecided" voters.

    If only people who truly loved Kamala and were confident in her ability and actively WANT her to be their president were to turn up, she would lose in a landslide.

    She has the advantage that the people who don't love her, hate trump more and will vote to ensure he doesn't get in.

    That not derangement, that is chosing the less bad option.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There appears to be a current trend from some quarters of posting videos of Harris answering questions but comments referencing how stupid she is and now wonder they don't let her talk, and when you listen to the answer it is a perfectly fine one. It is bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    So one candidate thinks that injecting bleach into the veins could be a viable solution for Covid but Kamala Harris is the dim one? Is that where we are?

    Christ above. Some people on here really need to touch grass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,590 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There's lot of candidates who might fare better in a general election than trying to stand out in the crowd in the hothouse of an internal primary campaign. It really doesn't mean a whole lot.
    Candidates have lost primaries and gone on to be serious contenders for the Presidency or actually President.

    The history of Democratic Party primaries suggest that in a contested primary, a VP would win out.

    Where are these 'good' candidates, could they have made it through the primaries, would they have gone down well with undecideds, what skeletons do they have in the closest that might come out in the national media spotlight… you don't really know.

    Having to choose the 'less bad' option is par for the course in politics. When there's a 'buzz' about a candidate it is usually someone coming from the opposition side, after the incumbents have been in situ for long time. And very often there is disillusionment when the hopes people have attached for such a 'buzz' candidate meet messy political reality.
    So really not sure why you think this is a point of any real weight.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Honestly, I'd say most candidates don't tend to be "loved" by those who go out to vote for them. And I'd say that's a healthy view of any politician. Overall I like her approach to the campaign and think she'd be a strong leader. That seems pretty good to me overall. I don't think there's any politician out there that I "love" though.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Thats fair. I only posted my (over)long post in response to someone accusing me of putting Kamala's lead down to TDS, which is a phrase I hate.

    You don't need to be popular to become president, you just need to be less hated than your rival.

    No syndrome required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    So if it's not TDS, then what is the reason for her popularity?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think "loving" a candidate is a uniquely US thing.

    I find the whole idea of campaign rallies etc. fundamentally strange - I'm interested in politics and consume lots of information about it , but the idea of going to a rally is just not something I can wrap my head around.

    Even the idea of bumper stickers and lawn sign is just weird.

    The weight given in the US to how many rallies are held and how many people attend them is odd in the extreme.

    Voting is always a choice of the lesser of two evils as it were.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    My rather lengthy post (#5805) explains it in great detail.

    I refuse to accept the term TDS as to vote for someone you dislike less is neither deranged, nor a syndrome.



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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They are obliged to cast their vote for the winner of the states popular vote. They do not have discretion and the whole raft of legal case after the last election showed how little discretion they actually had.



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