Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

So many speakers only about halfway down the list:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/dnc-chicago-2024/who-is-speaking-at-the-dnc-tonight-full-speaker-list-and-schedule/3525559/

Call to Order
Minyon Moore
Chair of the 2024 Democratic National Convention Committee
The Honorable Jaime R. Harrison
Chairman of the Democratic National Committee

Remarks and Video Introduction
The Honorable Brandon Johnson
Mayor of Chicago

Confirmatory and Ceremonial Vote for the Vice Presidential Nominee
Minyon Moore
Chair of the 2024 Democratic National Convention Committee

Welcome Remarks
The Honorable Peggy Flanagan
Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota

Remarks
The Honorable Lauren Underwood
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Illinois

Video
Rich Logis
Former Donald Trump Voter

Remarks
The Honorable Robert Garcia
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, California

Joint Remarks
Lee Saunders, President of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)
April Verrett, President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
Brent Booker, General President of the Laborers’ International Union of North America (LiUNA)
Kenneth W. Cooper, International President of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)
Claude Cummings Jr., President of the Communications Workers of America (CWA)
Elizabeth H. Shuler, President of the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO)

Remarks: “Project 2025—Chapter One: Introduction”
The Honorable Mallory McMorrow
Michigan State Senator

Remarks
The Honorable Gina M. Raimondo
United States Secretary of Commerce

Remarks
The Honorable Kathy Hochul
Governor of New York

Remarks
Shawn Fain
President of the United Automobile Workers

Remarks
The Honorable Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, New York

Remarks
The Honorable Hillary Rodham Clinton
Former United States Secretary of State

Remarks
The Honorable James E. Clyburn
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, South Carolina

Remarks
The Honorable Jamie Raskin
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Maryland

Remarks
The Honorable Jasmine Crockett
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Texas

Remarks
The Honorable Grace Meng
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, New York

Joint Remarks
Amanda and Josh Zurawski, Texas
Kaitlyn Joshua, Louisiana
Hadley Duvall, Kentucky

Remarks
The Honorable Andy Beshear
Governor of Kentucky

Remarks
The Honorable Reverend Raphael G. Warnock
United States Senator, Georgia

Remarks
The Honorable Chris Coons
United States Senator, Delaware

Remarks
Dr. Jill Biden
First Lady of the United States

Introduction
Ashley Biden

Remarks
The Honorable Joe Biden
President of the United States

Me either. She's not a bad person but she is hard to like. She gave that speech socks though, high energy. Hopefully it's time for Harris to do what she couldn't and avenge her defeat

I don't think Trump will have the energy or capacity for 2028, assuming he loses this one. He's nearly got it now.

It'll be interesting to see if the GOP go for a Trump-like fanatic or a more moderate candidate at that point, but it'll be the first tine someone orher than Trump had rin for them since Romney 2012.

His departure could leave a vacuum that will split the party if they're not careful.

Compare this also to the RNC, which was just marinaded in the wierdness of MAGA. You had Trump being introduced by a (naturally, over the top) televangelist who had to be cut off mid-wail because he just couldn't stop crewing the scenery.

Then you had Trump himself go right back into his greatest hits and went on for over an hour to a visably bored audience. And this was at the heigth of his campaign too. Even then, the RNC didn't actually give him that much of a boost. His win was mostly going to be down to Biden failing.

But this time around at the DNC we have an actually popular ticket getting oxigen for a whole week. I'd be surprised if this didn't generate at least a little bump in their popularity.

Also, MAGAfolk: it's time to workshop a better counter-argument than "They're Communists!!" I think I remember a similar argument in 2020 when Biden won. Oddly enough after 4 years, America's capitalist systems are still very much in place. Strange how that works, isn't it?

You must of missed that debate....lol

Good. Have you seen the state of the place? Bridges falling apart, roads with potholes the size of a small African nation...

The fact is that corporations are now hoarding too much money and there needs to be a sort of reset somehow.

I'm a big believer in maximum pay, as well as minimum pay.

Some CEO's are now taking 400+ times the amount of their workers. Sorry, but that's not right. (I imagine the likes of Musk and Bezos are much higher) and that's well paid work. Looking at low wage companies, CEO's can be paid over 600x their lowest paid employee.

Source (from 2022)

https://www.businessinsider.com/top-ceos-make-399-times-more-than-workers-2022-10?op=1

To put this all in perspective, in 1978, CEOs made around 30 times more than workers, which is still a lot more, but is much fairer.

It's funny that you never hear MAGA people note that taxing people and paying people fairly actually made America "great" in the first place. It was Reaganomics that really started destroying the country.

Other than MAGA sheeple banging on about your 2nd point, having grown up in the USA during the Cold War and emigrating before Convicted Felon Trump was elected, I don't think 'reds under the bed' was even a thought.

The American dream lie is indeed crippling, as is the effects of the 'greed is good' philosophy embodied in Reagan and his idiots like Alan Greenspan and my favorite idiot, Larry Kudlow, with special acknowledgement to Charles Laffer.

Add to that the pathetic education system leading to a nation of credulous morons and you have where we are today.