Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

Trump is a convicted felon etc but none of that which is in the news for the last few years has had an effect on his popularity. the election is still 50/50. it is being completely over estimated the bearing trumps demeanours will have on the outcome of this election, voters dont actually care either way. Trump will be headline news 4 weeks out from the election and is reflective of that famous Oscar Wilde quote. it will not harm him anyway.

America is screwed either way, but in very different ways, depending on how you want to be screwed.

Screwed by being led by a ticket that is veering its party ever further towards full-on socialism, or screwed by being led by a narcissistic strongman wannabe with the moral decency of a cabbage.

the fact that Kamala has been able to get away with doing no political interviews or outlining any real policies until now is a testament to just how bad the Trump campaign is, and how utterly ludicrous he is.

i mean this - if the GOP could have even moderately reformed and got away from him, Kamala would be toast. she is utterly vacuous without a shred of genuine likeability, while her running mate seems like he's insane. but the GOP didn't do that, and so we have what we have.

the choice Americans have is an utterly lamentable one. it really is.

well you obviously didnt look to far, look at the last 2 pages of this thread. you will see plenty of argumenting/debating.

It's largely moving the goal posts when you abandon your previous points.

you are misrepresenting what i said. i said trump has plenty of time for a strategy with Harris and it was the op who brought up trumps trials not me - i just answered saying he might get a bump from it and he might not. i have no idea what will make undecideds vote either way most likely the economy.

yes i know how the college system works. no system is perfect . its historically incorrect to say all elections in the states are 50/50. reagan, clinton practically walked in both terms same with Bush. I do agree this one is 50/50 though. in my own opinion the trial outcome will have a negligible effect on the outcome of this election, Everyone knows what trump is and getting a suspended sentence with a fine isnt going to shift the neddle.

What data source are you using to present your assertion as fact? Most of the gains for Harris since her announcement fall within the margin of error. Please don’t treat polling data as if it’s an absolute reflection of reality.

You should also recall what the polls were indicating in 2016 and 2020, which is typical for polling data. Polls are complex and don't support the conclusion you're making.

I know, right? I mean it's not like the economic circumstances of the country was different when they took office, that they were dealing with a post-Covid economy, inflation was only starting and their policies throughout have been in terms of managing rising inflation, and now that inflation is falling they can implement different policies to address the effect the on-going cost of living issues.

They expect people to believe that policies have to adapt, change and evolve based on the circumstances? Nah. I think Trump has the right idea. Just say he'll fix the economy without giving any details as to how, and claim it'll be the best economy ever. Who needs details when you have "Drill Baby Drill"?

The fact that Donnie is in it at all makes the election cycle depressing. The fact that he still even has a bit of chance makes the election cycle depressing.

Harris is the only viable option frankly. The alternative is the rise of a facist state built arond the fragile ego of one pathetic lonely old man. (As you can guess…I don't like Donnie)

But what makes Harris "terrible" in your mind? She may have potentially the failings of a typical Corporate Democrat…but why is she "terrible"? Bonus points if you tell us without using the word "Communist" or alluding to the lack of sit down interviews.

Biden largely won in 2020 for the exact same reason though; it was more an anti-Trump vote for a lot of people rather than being in any way excited for Joe Biden to be President. And he was largely invisible as Obama's VP for two terms as Harris has been for him. VP's generally aren't so publicly visible as the President.

But yes, Harris will pick up a lot of votes where people don't like her, they just like Trump a whole lot less. The same thing benefitted Trump in 2016 where people hated Hillary so either didn't vote or voted for Trump largely just because he was such an unknown in terms of how he'd do politically. Trump no longer has that benefit because he's an absolute known quantity at this stage, and there will certainly be a strong anti-Trump vote.

I'd actually say my personal opinion of Harris has shifted since she became the candidate. A lot of Hillary Clinton's issue was she simply wasn't very likable. I thought Harris would have a similar issue but she and Walz have come across as a great combo. Biden was not motivating voters to go out and vote IMHO but Harris has entirely reenergized the campaign so I'd say you're underestimating how liked she actually is.